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[Neonivek]

I like both the religions.

What an odd thing to say when you REALLY think about it.

[Glowcat]

...I didn't say that. Besides, mockery in response to tangible harm being done in the name of religion is verboten when the religion happens to be Islam.

I like both the religions. I don't like the violence.

Didn't say what? That Christians are an oppressed minority? You don't really need to explicitly state it given the context of your defense to Leafsnail's comment. I might be reading that wrong, but right now I don't see how you weren't heavily implying that mockery is, give or take, a form of oppression.

And can the whole Islam is spared from ridicule spiel. It isn't. It doesn't happen as often in English speaking communities because it's nowhere near as prominent as Christianity within those but it catches plenty of flak when people in the religion decide to put into practice harmful acts motivated by their interpretation of divine cause. Within some liberal circles it's distasteful to target Islam but that's more due to how much unjustified hatred is slung at the broader Islamic community, including actual (and common) hate crimes (which manage to kill Sikhs by mistake) and right-wingers using the law to target Islam specifically. Against Christianity you have, what? Disagreement? Ridicule of its ridiculous elements? Attempts to remove its long-held privilege over other faiths or non-faith in this country? Christianity is an easier target because Christians don't have to legitimately fear oppression in America - and those who claim they are unfairly treated often have no clue what actual oppression entails.

[Neonivek]

Christianity is an easier target because Christians don't have to legitimately fear oppression in America

Naw I think it is because they are currently under "Fair target".

Not because they cannot possibly be oppressed or do not legimately have to fear oppression. It is far from a paranoid fear.

It often becomes a paranoid fear, but to actually expect it at one point isn't.

[Criptfeind]

Hum. I like how twisty you are. But. No. They can, and sometimes are oppressed. But rarely and lightly. They have no reason to fear.

[Euld]

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[Eagle_eye]

To be honest, I find this pretty understandable. People like this make some gay people's lives living hell in communities where they're not accepted, and collectively they are probably responsible for a large number of crimes committed against gays, including murder. Obviously shooting them is only going to make things worse, but I think the level of anger is absolutely justified. The guy isn't crazy, he just doesn't really understand how little a dent his actions are going to make in these groups.

[Neonivek]

To be honest, I find this pretty understandable. People like this make some gay people's lives living hell in communities where they're not accepted, and collectively they are probably responsible for a large number of crimes committed against gays, including murder. Obviously shooting them is only going to make things worse, but I think the level of anger is absolutely justified. The guy isn't crazy, he just doesn't really understand how little a dent his actions are going to make in these groups.

No... I think he is crazy.

Since every person here instantly knew his actions didn't ammount to anything substantial. Any amount of logical thinking exposed this.

As well his level of anger certainly was not justified. Cold Homicidal anger is not a justified response in anyway. This is why we live in a "civilised" society. We do not solve our problems by murdering a bunch of people just because we strongly disagree with what they have to say or how they chose to organise under legal terms.

The most we say is that we understand a murderer's anger but we rarely attempt to justify it unless under extreme circumstances which usually involve some form of duress.

[Eagle_eye]

..So you're saying that if you thought murdering a handful of people would end violent discrimination against a particular group you wouldn't do it? I would think that would absolutely be worthwhile, even if I did spend the rest of my life in prison.

[Il Palazzo]

Ahem, Breivik, ahem.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

When you're contemplating murder, it's safe to say that your point of view has become skewed and cannot be trusted.

[Neonivek]

..So you're saying that if you thought murdering a handful of people would end violent discrimination against a particular group you wouldn't do it? I would think that would absolutely be worthwhile, even if I did spend the rest of my life in prison.

Ignoring that this certainly was not anywhere close to the case. No I wouldn't do it. I believe there is a better way greater then murder.

Besides it is just as easy to reverse this situation. Heck, I already seen EXACTLY what you wrote here happen... as a violent genocide because the Minority and Majority numbers switched.

[Leafsnail]

People asking why hate crimes deserve special treatment in direct reply to people explaining what hate crimes are actually about- Check

People asking why all muslims shouldn't be blamed for suicide attackers- Check

People labeling Hitler an atheist- Check

Comparing criticism or mockery from a minority people to actual persecution - check

[kaijyuu]

Violence is never the answer... except when really angry and hurt? Doesn't work that way, sorry.


This dude is nuts. Just as nuts as a person who voluntarily shoots up any place, for any reason. There is no justifying murder.

[Criptfeind]

That's ridiculous. Of course murder can be justified. If a persons death causes more good then bad then their death is justified.

[mainiac]

That's ridiculous. Of course murder can be justified. If a persons death causes more good then bad then their death is justified.

Well one could argue that is never the case because the price of society condoning murder is too high.  I don't really have an opinion either way but there is a reason why the death penalty is a frequent topic for debate competitions.