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[Neonivek]

Again, people don't hate Christianity because of a few vocal people

They hate Christianity because of the Crusades.

[Prometheusmfd]

And Obama doesn't consider it a hate crime.

Hate crime designation seems like a silly pseudo crime anyway that doesn't make much sense to me at all.

I still don't even have a explanation as to why it still exists.

It is, to those wondering, is a way to hitting people they cannot give larger crimes harsher sentences by removing the requirement for evidence that they were intending to commit a specific act. In otherwords it is an "Intent Crime" free from "Act".

Basically it is the same type of crime as "Breaking and Entering"

As for people's ill view of religion, especially the Catholic/Christian religions.

It is because people view any events with a very limited scope of thinking process that stems from how history is taught in the first place (which is a narrative style, rather then one that tries to obtain any true understanding.). Thus the Underlying cause of all wars according to the average person is: Religion.

Thus ALL war ever was caused dirrectly religion. Thus that is why Religion is pure evil.

If you are wondering why it is Christianity that fallen under it... It is because the Holocaust and the Crusades are the two most well events involving Religion.

I am of course wrong, but I am a bit frustrated at hearing simplified Crusades explanations that don't understand... well... the crusades.

The Holocaust was never a Christian thing, what with Hitler being an Atheist and the long term goal of the Nazis being to set up Nazism as the state religion, with Hitler being the god behind it.

[Neonivek]

The Holocaust was never a Christian thing

Yeah... people can't tell the difference.

Don't bring logic into this.

[Urist_McDrowner]

Again, people don't hate Christianity because of a few vocal people

They hate Christianity because of the Crusades.

Don't pretend Atheism's poop doesn't reek either. Pol Pot alone killed as many or more people than the Crusades did. Stalin and Mao did worse. You could add up all the people killed by islamic terrorism, the Crusades, and the Spanish inquisition, multiply it by a factor of one hundred, and it would still pale in comparison to people killed by Atheists.

[Prometheusmfd]

Again, people don't hate Christianity because of a few vocal people

They hate Christianity because of the Crusades.

Don't pretend Atheism's poop doesn't reek either. Pol Pot alone killed as many or more people than the Crusades did.

I believe Stalin has the highest kill count, though.

[Neonivek]

Again, people don't hate Christianity because of a few vocal people

They hate Christianity because of the Crusades.

Don't pretend Atheism's poop doesn't reek either. Pol Pot alone killed as many or more people than the Crusades did.

Yes but in that case it was because of Religion. Indirrectly.

Thus it is Christian's fault indirrectly.

I believe Stalin has the highest kill count, though.

No one cares though. Unless Hitler disguised himself as Stalin... no one cares.

[palsch]

So why should the penalty for hate crimes exceed the standard penalty for the crime?

State hate crime laws and penalty enhancement for hate crimes are simply reflections that we prosecute crimes differently based on motivation and intent, and arguably can and should be rolled into sentencing guidelines rather than written as independent laws.

You are posting very quickly and usually not really addressing what is written. Please slow down.

Well that actually makes a lot of sense ESPECIALLY for when that law started to be enacted. In fact for the USA I'd perfectly accept that as the most logical explanation. Mind you, it sounds like Internal Affairs isn't doing its job... but whatever.

Though it doesn't explain why some other countries started to adopt it.

IA is usually local to any given force. There may be state authorities that have jurisdiction, but even so there certainly used to be problems at that level as well. And that kinda justifies state based hate crime laws as well.

As for other countries, there are still times when you want to be able to change jurisdiction over certain crimes and bring in people from outside the community, or simply send a social message against certain types of crime.

[Bdthemag]

The Holocaust was never a Christian thing, what with Hitler being an Atheist and the long term goal of the Nazis being to set up Nazism as the state religion, with Hitler being the god behind it.

Holy shit, are you serious? Are you seriously claiming that Hitler was Atheist? I can no longer take you seriously in the slightest.

[nenjin]

There really is only a small part of Christianity that's even vocal about homosexuality (let alone those who are fine with it, which is a surprisingly large group). And to hate the whole for the actions of the few is never a good thing.

Honestly, it's the Chrisitans who oppose but aren't vocal about it that I wonder at and in a sense dislike more. Because they're trying to get the best of both worlds. "It doesn't matter to me" is not the same as "it matters but publicly I don't make an issue of it."

So why should the penalty for hate crimes exceed the standard penalty for the crime?

Is there any point to having it for anything other than statistical purposes if it doesn't?

The Holocaust was never a Christian thing, what with Hitler being an Atheist and the long term goal of the Nazis being to set up Nazism as the state religion, with Hitler being the god behind it.

For an atheist Hitler sure loved him some occult. And you're overlooking the fact that Aryanism is firmly tied to Christianity. And the focus on the hatred of the Jews is, once again, a Christian thing. Unless Hiter and the Nazis were secret Muslims from the future.

[Urist_McDrowner]

Again, people don't hate Christianity because of a few vocal people

They hate Christianity because of the Crusades.

Don't pretend Atheism's poop doesn't reek either. Pol Pot alone killed as many or more people than the Crusades did.

I believe Stalin has the highest kill count, though.

That "honor" belongs to Mao's 70 million plus.

[Prometheusmfd]

Again, people don't hate Christianity because of a few vocal people

They hate Christianity because of the Crusades.

Don't pretend Atheism's poop doesn't reek either. Pol Pot alone killed as many or more people than the Crusades did.

Yes but in that case it was because of Religion. Indirrectly.

Thus it is Christian's fault indirrectly.

That's like saying it's food's fault indirectly. Because they all ate food.

Again, people don't hate Christianity because of a few vocal people

They hate Christianity because of the Crusades.

Don't pretend Atheism's poop doesn't reek either. Pol Pot alone killed as many or more people than the Crusades did.

I believe Stalin has the highest kill count, though.

That "honor" belongs to Mao's 70 million plus.

I completely forgot about Mao.

[Heron TSG]

when people run planes into towers in the name of Islam, that's not Islam's fault, right?

You are correct. It is the fault of the crazy extremist that gave the order as well as the crazy extremist who performed the act. Not the entirety of the religion.

The Holocaust was never a Christian thing, what with Hitler being an Atheist and the long term goal of the Nazis being to set up Nazism as the state religion, with Hitler being the god behind it.

It sure was a Hitler thing. Run by Hitler. Just like Hitler's push for 'Positive' Christianity, a push to remove 'Jewish influence' on the religion. His religion. He called it Christianity, even though it wasn't mainstream Christianity. It wasn't Atheism.

Ye gods, at least Nikov used sources.

[palsch]

OK, what the sweet fuck is going on here?

What appears to be an act of terrorism and certainly attempted murder for political reasons is being used to crow about how persecuted the majority religion is, bitch about atheists and complain about hate crime laws.

I think this is heading quickly towards a lock.

[Prometheusmfd]

when people run planes into towers in the name of Islam, that's not Islam's fault, right?

You are correct. It is the fault of the crazy extremist that gave the order as well as the crazy extremist who performed the act. Not the entirety of the religion.

Which is a concept people are more reluctant to apply to Christianity.

[Criptfeind]

Holy shit this thread got real interesting real fast. I sure hope it does not get locked. It's like a fucking circus. It even has a living strawman.