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Author Topic: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?  (Read 2367 times)

Shiv

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Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« on: August 16, 2012, 01:13:24 am »

Been quite a while since I played DF and started again today.  Thought I had it down pretty well but, well I think I just got thrown a ball of !!FUN!!. 

Basically my entire fort just died off, very suddenly and without any prior warning.  Well, all but two dwarves, actually.  But when 7 dwarves die very suddenly, I start to wonder why.  So, why?  What happened?  The only thing I can really think of is that it was raining a 'foul ooze' or some such the entire time, but it went an entire season without anything going wrong and then suddenly, BAM!  So maybe it's a delayed infection or something and the surviving two dwarves were newer to the fort through the immigration wave?  I'd like to know what to watch out for when I reclaim it. 

The only other thing I can think is that QuickFort somehow altered some variable on mistake (it said something about needing to alter a variable to make it faster).  I highly doubt that happened but, well, who knows.
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Re: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2012, 01:22:16 am »

Could easily be long term infection. I'm curious about the dead though, any fevers? Are any of them rotting already? It could be a sign of a long-term necrotising syndrome. How about the other 2?
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Re: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2012, 01:45:29 am »

Well unfortunately I've already abandoned the fortress and am hovering over the reclaim screen waiting for a definitive answer lol.  I did let it run for a bit longer though and nothing really decomposed immediately

The fortress was very new (only 9 dwarves:  the original 7 and two gained through immigration), so no doctors or anything yet, so I don't think I could've gotten much health information anyhow.  I can tell you though that prior to death, all of their body parts were yellow, and the internals ranged from blue to red.  Most of them died of suffocation, but a few of them just died with no explanation given by the game.  Also all 7 died within about a 1 second window of one another.  It was quite sudden.  And not all 7 of my original dwarves died I don't believe.  One of them survived, I'm fairly certain.
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Re: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2012, 02:09:56 am »

Well unfortunately I've already abandoned the fortress and am hovering over the reclaim screen waiting for a definitive answer lol.  I did let it run for a bit longer though and nothing really decomposed immediately

The fortress was very new (only 9 dwarves:  the original 7 and two gained through immigration), so no doctors or anything yet, so I don't think I could've gotten much health information anyhow.  I can tell you though that prior to death, all of their body parts were yellow, and the internals ranged from blue to red.  Most of them died of suffocation, but a few of them just died with no explanation given by the game.  Also all 7 died within about a 1 second window of one another.  It was quite sudden.  And not all 7 of my original dwarves died I don't believe.  One of them survived, I'm fairly certain.

Certainly either a syndrome or (since you had one migrant wave already) they froze to death at a sudden seasonal change in weather to something injurously cold.
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2012, 04:38:40 am »

Must've been some illness or other I guess.  Strange that it spread so fast/was so wide spread.  It's got to be the rain that's doing it.  The horrendous goo or whatever that falls from the sky in this region.  Couldn't be anything weather related because I'm in a tropical environment.
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Re: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2012, 08:45:51 am »

My guess is blistering of all body parts. It tends to create lethal brain damage in a consistent amount of time after infection.
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Re: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2012, 09:25:02 am »

Can you give us more info? Did you find out how the original deaths died? Did everyone have enough shoes and roofs? How were the animals?
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Re: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2012, 12:06:39 pm »

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Can you give us more info? Did you find out how the original deaths died? Did everyone have enough shoes and roofs? How were the animals?

Not really.  I can tell you for sure that it was not only the original 7 that died.  When reclaiming the fort, I only found 7 corpses but one of them was not from the original embarking group. 

I've not found out how they died other than that their body was fully yellow and the internals were blue/red.  I had a forgotten beast attack once that caused the same issue with his breath, but no forgotten beasts attacked my lowly fort of 9. 

Pretty sure I had enough shoes.  The fort was only 1.5 seasons old.  Not sure what you mean by enough roofs.  Everyone lived underground except when they went to the surface to grab stuff to move it down from the wagon. 

The animals all starved to death as I forgot to pasture them. 
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Re: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2012, 12:22:06 pm »

Everyone lived underground except when they went to the surface to grab stuff to move it down from the wagon. 

There is your answer.
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Re: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2012, 01:31:36 pm »

Roofs stop deadly rain from hitting stuff under them.
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Re: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2012, 10:21:15 pm »

Is a roof a new item or some such (noticed something called 'tracks' so not sure what else has been added) or is it just a floor hanging out on an upper z-level?

Also what should I know about 'deadly rain'?  I've had two fortresses that rained odd stuff (this one is horrendous goo or some such and the other was hot dwarven blood) but the latter never made it to fruition (aquifer accident) and the former is the one you heard about.  I've since reclaimed that fort, so I'm in the same area.  Will they have the same fate eventually?  It's lasted two seasons so far.

Also, do I have to worry about them just getting rained 'on' or is the ooze left on the floor/grass a problem as well?  And is there anything a doctor can do?

This odd rain stuff is completely new to me.

Edit:  Ok just booted up my fort.  It happened again, and seems to be directly related to loading the game, because it happened immediately after I loaded (same thing as last time), so the only difference in them lasting longer (3 seasons) is that I played a longer session.  I assume this is a bug?  Not the rain effects, just the full extent of the effects not occurring until I load the game.
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Re: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2012, 10:48:49 pm »

Roofs are just floors on a level above.
Deadly rain can kill, and is most likely to be what's killing your dwarves. Doctors help to prolong lives by performing surgeries and cutting out rotten tissue, so they might be of some use here.
Also, it sounds like you're embarking in evil regions, where this should happen on a regular basis.
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Re: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2012, 11:03:36 pm »

Yah embarking on evil regions (haunted or terrifying) because before my hiatus, it was the only way to get any kind of challenge in the early game.  Now it seems that it's an even greater challenge. 

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to adapt.  Building a roof over the wagon and embark place (or just collapsing the wagon down a few z levels and then roofing over that) shouldn't be too hard.
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Re: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2012, 08:11:59 am »

Or...
Not embarking in evil areas.
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Re: Erm...mass dwarf exctinction in my fortress?
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2012, 08:30:34 am »

Good luck, make sure your corpse stockpiles are, erm, locked up securely, or ideally you dump em into magma or something.
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