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[Noobazzah]

I'm hoping to make trolls wear armor and wield weapons, to make them more Fun. A troop of LOTR style war trolls arriving with goblin sieges would be really nice. I've tried tinkering with the raws, but had no success. Any help/ready modifications?

[GreatWyrmGold]

I think there might be hardcoded issues, but you could create a type of troll called a "War Troll" or something, which has armor as a body part and/or tissue, and weapons as body parts. Downside: Without butchering sentients and fiddling around with the butchery item tag thingy, you won't get any use from the troll weapons or armor.

[IndigoFenix]

You can give trolls their own entity and have them wear whatever you like, but they'll be separate from the goblin civilization.

[Mura]

Even if you can make them equip things, a problem lies with the fact that goblins produce different-sized armor than trolls can wear.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Actually, that won't be an issue. Armor made by an entity is sized for the wearer, as evidenced by troll clothes.

[Noobazzah]

Using the castes, would it be possible to include the War Trolls in goblin civilizations?

[GreatWyrmGold]

Yes. However, if they were a goblin caste, they would mate and have kids with goblins, but not trolls. Plus side: You wouldn't need to use body parts to arm and armor the trolls, and their gear would be useable.

[Noobazzah]

They'd interbreed? I didn't know that. So, would the offspring be goblins or trolls, or a hybrid? (I find the latter quite unlikely.) Are the regular trolls essentially riderless "mounts" then? Or what exactly allows them to not be a part of the civ and yet aid them in sieges?

[GreatWyrmGold]

Alright...

All castes in the GOBLIN creature can breed with each other, if they're of opposite genders. Goblins can tame pretty much all creatures they run into in non-good biomes, as well as (almost?) all creatures in the caverns. Trolls are cavern creatures and have the tags needed to show up in their own squads--I think it's [SLOW_LEARNER], but I'm probably wrong. If you made war trolls into a goblin caste, they would be part of the GOBLIN creature, not cavern creatures with SLOW_LEARNER. Any questions?

[Noobazzah]

No, I think that answered the question pretty much. Thanks for the information.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Castes was discussed and I have to say, Do you play as Goblins? No? Then why does it matter if they inter-breed or not. Just my two cents

EDIT:
sorry i'm late to the game, tl;dr and lazy. lol

[Quietust]

The game keeps track of a list of available "siege minions" for each civilization, and that's what trolls are - their [EQUIPS] tag causes them to be spawned with clothing (and [CAN_LEARN] gives them civilian professions), but the game simply doesn't have logic to give them weapons or armor (and experience in the corresponding skills). War animals are stored in that same list, and the presence of [TRAINABLE_WAR] is what makes them show up with said training.

[Monk321654]

Hmm...
With the [TRAINABLE_WAR] tag in the troll raws, will they bring weapons?
If not, we may just have to make a suggestion...

[GreatWyrmGold]

I doubt it.

Quietust, do you know what makes trolls come in their own squads?

[Quietust]

Quietust, do you know what makes trolls come in their own squads?

I've discovered the answer to that just 5 minutes ago: creatures come in their own squads if they have [TRAINABLE_WAR] (which is implied by [TRAINABLE]) or [CAN_LEARN] and the enemy civilization has access to them.