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[Woodimt]

Howdy all!

First off... I love how this community replies so quickly when noobs have issues.  And oh man, do I have issues.

Second... I won't bother you with my issues, just a hypothetical problem.  I embarked on a map with some steep cliffs, and a sort of plateau promontory on which I built the first entrance.  The idea I'm hoping for is that I carve out a trench around my fortress, and as I expand and descend z-levels, the trench simply expands down with me.  I'll have a ramp on the top level leading to the rest of the map, so that caravans can still get to my fortress, and I can still hunt/fish/forage/etc.  My question is this: I know that, if I were to do this on a flat plain, and make a moat, then certain mobs/beasts/goblins can swim, and the moat wouldn't protect against them.  Are there any creatures that can JUMP a crevasse?  If I make this barrier-of-space one tile wide, will it still keep the goblins at bay, or do I need to make it a certain # of tiles wide to keep my city safe?

Third... thanks in advance for any advice you all are willing to impart!

--Wood

[Scelly9]

*nobody replies*

But seriously, I'm 90% sure that no creatures can jump. You should be fine with a one tile wide crevasse, but your also going to want a wall and roof for fliers.

[FuzzyZergling]

As far as I know, creatures can only jump downward. So only creatures that can fly would be able to get past.
Note that archers and goblins on flying mounts will still be able to attack.

[Scelly9]

Archers are asspains.

[weenog]

I wonder if an enemy subject to rapid ranged attacks could be forced to chain dodge across a gap without bothering to fall and land in between.

[Woodimt]

Weenog: You mean, in a Wile E. Coyote sense?  Maybe I should just remind them to look down.

Scelly9: I'm thinking of adding a 2-z-level wall around the top, to prevent archers from firing from the nearby heights.  Would that be enough to keep me safe?  Or can archers fire up into the air and over the wall?

FuzzyZergling: I'm developing a Strategic Defense Initiative using satellite coordination and ground-based surface-to-air missiles.  And just in case that doesn't work, I'm working on an atom-smasher-type door over the top set of stairs.

Thanks for the feedback!!

[Scelly9]

Scelly9: I'm thinking of adding a 2-z-level wall around the top, to prevent archers from firing from the nearby heights.  Would that be enough to keep me safe?  Or can archers fire up into the air and over the wall?

They can only fire on the same Z-level that they are on.

[FuzzyZergling]

Scelly9: I'm thinking of adding a 2-z-level wall around the top, to prevent archers from firing from the nearby heights.  Would that be enough to keep me safe?  Or can archers fire up into the air and over the wall?

They can only fire on the same Z-level that they are on.

Not exactly true; they can fire anywhere they have line-of-sight. A wall should work fine.

[weenog]

Weenog: You mean, in a Wile E. Coyote sense?  Maybe I should just remind them to look down.

I was thinking more like, for example, air dodging in a super smash bros game to make the difference between landing safely and falling off the stage.

[Noobazzah]

I think that sometimes creatures can "jump" over tiles when dodging.

[Funk]

you need a roof to keep flying archers/dragons from attacking.

[Noobazzah]

Dragons don't fly, unfortunately.

[Scelly9]

I think that sometimes creatures can "jump" over tiles when dodging.

They can only jump a single tile IE:
they could jump between the two Xs. ........X
                                                   ........X
In the following case: they could not jump between the Xs.
..............X
................
..............X

[Quietust]

I wonder if an enemy subject to rapid ranged attacks could be forced to chain dodge across a gap without bothering to fall and land in between.

I don't think it'd work with multiple attack sources, since dodging into mid-air would probably turn the unit into a projectile (and make it immune to further attacks until it landed).

Multiple attacks from the same source, however, are definitely capable of doing this: I've trained soldiers in a danger room before, and I've seen them jump over 5 tiles at once when struck by 10 training spears, and I suspect that it'd also work with standard weapon traps...

[GreatWyrmGold]

That means that, in theory, a trap loaded with 10 of a trap weapon that hits 3 times could send a target dodging across 30 tiles. (In practice, that many dodges is nigh-impossible, and anyways even if all of the dodges involved shifting tiles there's a low chance that they'd all go pretty much the same way.)