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[Maur]

I'm wondering whether i should equip them on someone or should i stick to masterwork greaves? What's better?

Also, does artifact steel shield offer any benefits? Yes, i have been religiously training all my peasants in armorsmith an forbidding all bars but steel the moment i got mood notification. The results are good.

[weenog]

An artifact anything shield is excellent for defense, and a steel one should be heavy enough to make shield bash attacks count, too.

Leggings give you better coverage than greaves, AFAIK.  It might be possible to equip both at the same time but if so, I don't know how.

[Brewster]

agreed, anything artifact has such a high quality it's great! to use.
quality always calculates into efficiency of the object

[Maur]

But wiki says that greaves are better! Or something to that effect. I'm torn...

[acetech09]

Really depends on your most common type of enemy. Leggings are chain mail. If you're getting tons of slashing attacks, the chainmail will probably be fine. But if you're getting lots of blunt damage from whatever enemies you face, then I think greaves are better.

[Iosyn]

Artifact steel anything is always worth it, gratz man.

[lcy03406]

An artifact anything shield is excellent for defense, and a steel one should be heavy enough to make shield bash attacks count, too.

Leggings give you better coverage than greaves, AFAIK.  It might be possible to equip both at the same time but if so, I don't know how.

Both are [SHAPED], so you can't wear both at the same time.
Both have [COVERAGE:100] and [LBSTEP:MAX], so the protection areas are equal.
However legging has [STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_CHAIN_METAL], which means it's not as hard as plain metal.
So greaves are better.

For shield, ANY shield is excellent for defense, as long as you have high shield user skill, no matter material or quality.

[Maur]

So, does shield quality matter at all? Because i also have tiger bone buckler...

[SuicideJunkie]

Bucklers are half as good as shields IIRC.

The material of the shield does not matter at all for defense.
The weight of the shield matters when clobbering goblins with it.

[weenog]

Artifact steel anything is always worth it, gratz man.

I don't know, I'd cuss pretty loudly if I got an artifact steel figurine of dwarves.  The dwarves are traveling.  This figurine relates to the founding of Fuckwitopolis in the year crappy strange moods.

[Iosyn]

Bucklers are half as good as shields IIRC.

The material of the shield does not matter at all for defense.
The weight of the shield matters when clobbering goblins with it.

Indeed.

Also, Shields = 20% chance of total deflection.
Bucklers = 10% chance of deflection.

That's why a dwarf with a real shield can block dragonfire without injury. can't remember exactly how much the quality affects shields/bucklers though.


However, bucklers still allow that hand to carry something else, so they're a good option for marskdwarves-- they can hold a stack of arrows in the same hand as the buckler.

Also yeah weenog I guess you have a point there lol. Still, you could use it as bait.
Or the one that made it.

[lcy03406]

However, bucklers still allow that hand to carry something else, so they're a good option for marskdwarves-- they can hold a stack of arrows in the same hand as the buckler.

Marskdwarves can shoot while wearing shields.
I don't know why there are so many misleading points in this thread.

[Poindexterity]

An artifact anything shield is excellent for defense, and a steel one should be heavy enough to make shield bash attacks count, too.

Leggings give you better coverage than greaves, AFAIK.  It might be possible to equip both at the same time but if so, I don't know how.

it totally is. You should always have leggins and greaves equipped. Chain under plate, so to speak.

[lcy03406]

An artifact anything shield is excellent for defense, and a steel one should be heavy enough to make shield bash attacks count, too.

Leggings give you better coverage than greaves, AFAIK.  It might be possible to equip both at the same time but if so, I don't know how.

it totally is. You should always have leggins and greaves equipped. Chain under plate, so to speak.

Chain leggings are [SHAPED], you cannot wear two shaped equipments on the same part of body.
So are caps.
But chain mail shirts are not shaped, so you can wear a mail shirt with a breastplate.
But mail shirt must be OVER breastplate, because mail shirt has [LAYER:OVER] and breastplate has [LAYER:ARMOR].

[WealthyRadish]

But mail shirt must be OVER breastplate, because mail shirt has [LAYER:OVER] and breastplate has [LAYER:ARMOR].

The layering goes 'under -> over -> armor -> cover', so the mail shirt is actually worn underneath the breastplate. Under is for things like thongs and socks, over is for most clothing and cloth-like armors, armor is for plate armor (greaves, breastplates, gauntlets, high boots, etc.) and cover is for things like cloaks and mittens.