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[Persus13]

Art of War make fighting wars with other nations a lot easier to manage.

Star and Crescent gives a lot of neat Muslim events if you don't have it already.

El Dorado is useful if you want to make your own nation or have fun with the Aztecs or Incans.

Conquest of Paradise gives the option of randomizing the New World which is fun, if a bit gimmicky.

Wealth of Nations and Res Publica do a whole bunch of different stuff I'm not completely sure about.

I must be an odd one out, because I find EUIV better with Common Sense turned off than with it on. I save a lot more MP that way.

[Il Palazzo]

I must be an odd one out, because I find EUIV better with Common Sense turned off than with it on.

Judging by vitriolic Steam reviews, the odd one out is Bouchart for recommending it. And by reading the reviews I've just learned that, if I understand it correctly, the game without CS still uses mechanics CS introduces (i.e. provincial development), but only AI is allowed to do so. What the heck?

[MrRoboto75]

I must be an odd one out, because I find EUIV better with Common Sense turned off than with it on.

Judging by vitriolic Steam reviews, the odd one out is Bouchart for recommending it. And by reading the reviews I've just learned that, if I understand it correctly, the game without CS still uses mechanics CS introduces (i.e. provincial development), but only AI is allowed to do so. What the heck?

I don't own CS, but all the provinces have development stats, which I have no buttons to increase.  I haven't played long enough nor payed enough attention to see if the AI is able to increase development without CS installed.

On the other hand, I've heard investing in development is very rarely worth the point costs, if you have other things to spend on.

[Persus13]

Common Sense has a lot of good things, like new mechanics for theocracies, but development is still a work in progress.

I must be an odd one out, because I find EUIV better with Common Sense turned off than with it on.

Judging by vitriolic Steam reviews, the odd one out is Bouchart for recommending it. And by reading the reviews I've just learned that, if I understand it correctly, the game without CS still uses mechanics CS introduces (i.e. provincial development), but only AI is allowed to do so. What the heck?

Before CS came out, provinces were rated by base tax. Now base tax is wrapped up in development. Improving development in a province is a DLC mechanic only, and as far as I'm aware, AI can't do that without the DLC.

The two major complaints I see about development is that improving it costs monarch points, which are already scarce, so its barely used by a player, and that the AI spends so much on development when they're a OPM, that it makes these ridiculous top value provinces, that when conquered are really expensive to core.

[Orange Wizard]

I'm half-tempted to make a mod to make development tied to wealth instead of MP, but that requires me learning how to mod.

[Azkanan]

Development is my favourite part of EU4.

I'm now, finally, quite happy to sit in the British Isles rather than rampaging all over Europe. LONDON WILL BE GREAT.

[Azkanan]

I'm half-tempted to make a mod to make development tied to wealth instead of MP, but that requires me learning how to mod.

You know, I'm very tempted to make a mod myself, where the gameworld is the British Isles - but super, super huge, with all of the counties and microcounties within. It would be a fine mod, where you see so many factions; lordlings and counts, fighting over the British Isles.

[Teneb]

I'm half-tempted to make a mod to make development tied to wealth instead of MP, but that requires me learning how to mod.

You know, I'm very tempted to make a mod myself, where the gameworld is the British Isles - but super, super huge, with all of the counties and microcounties within. It would be a fine mod, where you see so many factions; lordlings and counts, fighting over the British Isles.

Wouldn't that be better suited to CK2?

[MrRoboto75]

Before CS came out, provinces were rated by base tax. Now base tax is wrapped up in development. Improving development in a province is a DLC mechanic only, and as far as I'm aware, AI can't do that without the DLC.

So if I get an event that raises the base tax in say, Barcelona, what actually happens under the development system?

Right now provinces use development instead of base tax, but events still talk about base tax in their effects

[WealthyRadish]

I'm half-tempted to make a mod to make development tied to wealth instead of MP, but that requires me learning how to mod.

One way I've considered doing it is using a building (or three, one for each dev type) that triggers an event to destroy itself and increase the province's development. That'd also be a nice way of preventing development increase from being instant. There'd be some problems with build cost and new pseudo-modifier creation with flags or something, but I think it'd work out.

Before CS came out, provinces were rated by base tax. Now base tax is wrapped up in development. Improving development in a province is a DLC mechanic only, and as far as I'm aware, AI can't do that without the DLC.

So if I get an event that raises the base tax in say, Barcelona, what actually happens under the development system?

Right now provinces use development instead of base tax, but events still talk about base tax in their effects

It's not very different from the old base tax/manpower system. Whereas before provinces had base tax and manpower, they've now got a production value as well, and most of the effects base tax used to have were moved to total development (the 3 categories added together).

Many of the old events that raised base tax now give you a choice of either of the 3 components, or still work exactly as they used to (but base tax is less important now, being only one value).

[Persus13]

Before CS came out, provinces were rated by base tax. Now base tax is wrapped up in development. Improving development in a province is a DLC mechanic only, and as far as I'm aware, AI can't do that without the DLC.

So if I get an event that raises the base tax in say, Barcelona, what actually happens under the development system?

Right now provinces use development instead of base tax, but events still talk about base tax in their effects

There are three types of development. Base tax is one of the three and affects tax income. The other two are Base Production and Base Manpower, and then all these add up to a total Development value, which affects stuff like trade power and coring cost. So Barcelona has a base tax of 6, a base production of 6, and a base manpower of 3, with a total development value of 15. So your event that increases base tax would increase Barcelona's base tac to 7, and the total development value to 16.

As Urban Giraffe said, most development events give you the option to choose between which type you improve in a province. And if you have the Common Sense DLC, you can manually do that with MP.

Relevant Wiki Article

[Flying Dice]

I'm half-tempted to make a mod to make development tied to wealth instead of MP, but that requires me learning how to mod.

You know, I'm very tempted to make a mod myself, where the gameworld is the British Isles - but super, super huge, with all of the counties and microcounties within. It would be a fine mod, where you see so many factions; lordlings and counts, fighting over the British Isles.

Wouldn't that be better suited to CK2?

Hell, that's pretty much exactly what the ASOIAF mod for CK2 is, if you squint hard enough to mistake Westeros for the British Isles.

[Azkanan]

ASOIAF

Bless you.

But, what?

[Persus13]

A Song of Ice of Fire. Also known as the book series that caused the Game of Thrones TV Show.

[Azkanan]

A Song of Ice of Fire. Also known as the book series that caused the Game of Thrones TV Show.

Oh. I know what it is, just never heard the acronym and therefore what it meant