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[Mictlantecuhtli]

~20 galleys is about all I needed to beat the Ottomans as the Byzantines, as they would leave their not-so-impressive galley/transport stack in their capitol so I can pick off the other straggling navies and achieve naval superiority rather easily.

Now, the not so easy part is dealing with a 12k+ Ottoman army that is usually parked in Greece. Sometimes you can luck out and the Ottomans will move their armies into easily stoppable places. They moved 20k soldiers to Corfu my last Byzantine game, and I just stopped them from returning to the mainland with a couple transports, basically pinning down their whole force limit for the entire war. Needless to say I took back 99% warscore of provinces. If they don't do something pants-on-head retarded like that in your attempts, though, your best bet is putting a 12k stack of your own on a mountain province. The Ottomans are usually suicidally aggressive if they have a path to your armies.

It all depends on luck, really. And I don't find it particularly fun because once you've beaten the Ottomans you win everything else as the Byzantines.

[Sergarr]

Can't you transfver from EU IV to Victoria 2 and then to Hearts of Iron 3, for extra hilarity?

[Karlito]

Ok first off, your navy force limit is like.....12. The ottomans have over 40 ships. Do you sacrifice advisers or something? Because it sounds like it will get expensive if you go 300% over your force limit.

Secondly, Poland doesn't seem to be bordering water or the ottomans, so how do they help?

They may have 40 ships, but they don't have 40 galleys. Transports and lightships don't have much combat power on the inland seas. Constantinople is quite rich, so you can easily overbuild your naval forcelimits to achieve force superiority. I took a few loans and probably did without a few advisors in the first decade, yes.

Secondly, Poland does border the Ottomans, albeit through their vassal Moldova.

[Uristides]

Is the MP game beginning any time soon? I think I'll be available only after the 29th of this month.
I'm a complete newb(on EU, not on Paradox) though, so I'll probably choose a bad country and get steamrolled early on. And I don't have all the DLCs either(I bought the complete pack some months ago, but I think a new one already came out?)

Also poor excuse to PTW this one. I think I'm beginning a campaign later tonight.

[Sartain]

I could theoretically be interested in a multiplayer campaign. However, I am Europe-based and currently swamped in work so options this side of New Years Eve are limited.

[Erkki]

Euro here too. I have all the add-ons but the latest.

[lijacote]

I believe the host determines which DLCs are used, the client players need only have the base game to enjoy all the DLCs that the host has. Conversely, the host, if lacking DLCs, will also make the game lack those DLCs.

[FritzPL]

That's the way it's always been with Paradox. Almost makes me forgive them for releasing 5+ game-changing DLCs within 2 years of releasing the base game - which most of the time is shit by itself. Almost.

[werty892]

I'm in for MP. East Coast US here.

[Descan]

That's the way it's always been with Paradox. Almost makes me forgive them for releasing 5+ game-changing DLCs within 2 years of releasing the base game - which most of the time is shit by itself. Almost.

No, only since CK2 came out. Before, if you didn't have all the same expansions as the host, you couldn't play with them unless they downgraded.

[FritzPL]

Well, forgive me, but I don't think there was much for MP in Paradox games before CK2 and EU4 came out. Sure, there was EU3, but reflecting on my past playthroughs of that game, I frequently ask myself: how could I've played such a steaming pile of manure?
(just a personal opinon)

[Uristides]

I just ragequitted my first campaign, as Savoy. Began the game by steamrolling Switzerland and Genoa with Milan and Burgundy, Austria threatened me into giving the genoese province back and it all went downhill from there. In the end Milan threw a dumb war against Venice, got absolutely destroyed and all I had to rely upon for my vengenace war against Genoa was petty Tuscany. Sucks.

[Sheb]

It's kinda weird you didn't have problems with France.

[Uristides]

It's kinda weird you didn't have problems with France.

Yeah, it felt strange they didn't bug me at all, or my ally Burgundy, for that matter. The worst they did was snatching Provence away from me when I still had then under a truce.
Burgundy is pure awesome and has balls of steel. At one moment they were enemies of both France, England and Austria at the same time. Not to mention repealling a Castillan invasion all by themselves.

[FritzPL]

Did you turn lucky nations off? I had MP game where we did that - my friend played Brandenburg and I played France. While the Hansa wasn't such a bully to him, he still had a hard time - and considering I was playing France and I was unable to take any of the Burgundian provinces, so did I.