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[MoLAoS]

IIRC: yes you can.

I hope so. Coring all that myself will be a huge pain plus I'll have to get a ton of aggressive expansion if I do it militarily.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

Pretty sure you need a royal marriage to diplo-vassalise. You can't royal marriage with heathens.
With India you'll want to expand via vassal feeding, it's actually easier than most areas since it's so culturally heterogeneous and there's plenty of revolter states to free and feed.

[MoLAoS]

Pretty sure you need a royal marriage to diplo-vassalise. You can't royal marriage with heathens.
With India you'll want to expand via vassal feeding, it's actually easier than most areas since it's so culturally heterogeneous and there's plenty of revolter states to free and feed.

I diplo vassalize militarily. I was asking about diploannexing.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

Whoops. You most certainly can. It's the main strategy behind vassal feeding.

[Simmura McCrea]

Vassal feeding is increasing a vassal's size via rebels/return core wargoals, right?

[Catastrophic lolcats]

Yes and also selling them rich or similar culture/religion provinces.

[MoLAoS]

Someday Paradox will come up with a system that doesn't require dumb exploits. After a solid 300 hours of gameplay, today in my current game was the first time I did vassal feeding and its dull and dumb. I just win a ton of wars, release nations, vassalize, afk to post here for 5-10 minutes, go back, hit the annex button, afk for 5-10 more minutes and then you have to start all over again. So annoying.

Sadly the anti-blob legions on the pplaza forums will make this kind of mind numbing crap par for the course in grand strategy for all eternity.

[Chaoswizkid]

If you're waiting 5-10 minutes each time then you aren't declaring enough wars, fabricating claims, influencing diplomatic relations, building up your armies, etc. Your argument would have more merit if you could really argue that there are long stretches of time where you do nothing, but I haven't seen that happen for anyone other than natives or if you don't really want to fight wars and you want to build a trade empire or colonial empire or something like that. Admittedly, there could be more events and such for not being at war for a long time, or war but where you haven't lost any manpower from fighting (in the case of alliances where you don't believe your forces would accomplish anything). Those events might have bonuses to trade or maybe trading manpower for an increase in settlers for your colonies.

[MoLAoS]

If you're waiting 5-10 minutes each time then you aren't declaring enough wars, fabricating claims, influencing diplomatic relations, building up your armies, etc. Your argument would have more merit if you could really argue that there are long stretches of time where you do nothing, but I haven't seen that happen for anyone other than natives or if you don't really want to fight wars and you want to build a trade empire or colonial empire or something like that. Admittedly, there could be more events and such for not being at war for a long time, or war but where you haven't lost any manpower from fighting (in the case of alliances where you don't believe your forces would accomplish anything). Those events might have bonuses to trade or maybe trading manpower for an increase in settlers for your colonies.

I tend to declare a shit ton of wars at once. So I fought every single nation in India at once in order to split up everyone into smaller nations to vassalize. I also conquered some lands on the southern tip. I just got the Euro coalition on me to clear up, too.

[Wiles]

I find the game to be pretty dull if you're not at war. Crusader Kings and Victoria have a lot more things to keep you busy when you aren't fighting.

[Simmura McCrea]

Sadly, coring a province quite quickly takes a few years.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

fabricating claims, influencing diplomatic relations, building up your armies,

I.e sitting around and waiting.

[ShoesandHats]

Argh, stupid north African nations being ridiculously hard to core! All I need is those three provinces and I'll be fine with no overextension, but nooooo. I'd release them as a vassal but I can't because they weren't ever an independent nation.

EDIT: Also, Jesus Christ, Tangiers, how many religious rebels are you going to produce?

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[ShoesandHats]

Oh my god why do people care so much about the Incans? I'm drowning in rebels here!

[a1s]

Oh my god why do people care so much about the Incans? I'm drowning in rebels here!

Kill a bunch of them. Then treat them all harshly.