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[forsaken1111]

I'm just dropping this link in here: New DD About Random Stuff Like Ledgers and Naval Combat and Production Stuff

TIL: Timetravel is coming in 2020

[Karlito]

The Demo is out on Steam. Going to give it a shot later.

[Andrew425]

I played it. I like the ability to focus on what you want to get instead of having to wait for magistrates to spawn. The trade system is fun as well

[Chaoswizkid]

Any idea if we download the demo that once we own the game it'll just update the demo into the full version? I don't want to spend a couple days downloading the demo when I could download other things (like the tons of Skyrim mods I want to check out) if I'll only get a bit of playtime in before the actual release.

[Azthor]

I do believe it will likely involve a separate installation altogether.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

Theres a slight chance that the installs will share data so you'll have to download less when EUIV rolls around. I think HL2 and it's demo was like that.

I've been playing the demo and been enjoying it. They're not my particular choice of countries but it was really nice to be able to play as Venice and explore the trading mechanics. I had a decent game going never wanting for money until around 1505 when I declared war on an Italian OPM and Austria which I had an alliance, military access and +180 relationship with decided it was sick of my crap and jumped me. Spent the next few years having Vencia as my only unconquered province and nothing would make Austria declare peace. Got bore when my economy started collapsing.
Fucking HRE.

[Rakonas]

I wish it was more clear that it ended in 1520, but I definitely enjoyed it. My biggest concern thus far is that westernizing drops you down to -3 stability no matter what it was before, and resets all your monarch points. Seems silly when it's best to westernize when unstable and badly run as opposed to well run and totally stable.

[Twiggie]

Possibly, but it makes sense for a country to enact drastic reforms when its in a poor shape, no?

[Chaoswizkid]

Yeah, I think that the stab hit is just what makes sense, and if players choose to do those reforms with low stability to take advantage of it, they're being... well, they're being smart, but they're also being gamey. Maybe if they changed it to like a -4 stab hit and you need to be at least +1 stab?

[Chosrau]

Don't you need +3 stab to westernize?

[a1s]

Don't you need +3 stab to westernize?

+1, I haven't played the demo, but the "difference between EUIII & EUIV" document said you did)

[echonic]

So is anyone else really digging all new changes we've seen in the demo for EUIV?

I did not think I'd be up for more EU, but I was really surprised at how they seemed to add more depth yet also streamline things.

[bulborbish]

I like that the game is more than get the best tech, get the most money. With the added emphasis on national ideas, and the fact that you lock them once you choose them, It makes them more than a short term choice. Granted, the fact that they are more powerful is always a plus.

[Pnx]

I'm liking the monarch point system actually. I'm not so sure I like the nation specific ideas though.

A lot of the stuff these nations specialise in were things they specialised in on account of their real life circumstances. Ones which will commonly not happen. In some cases it makes sense, because of the history of the nation, but it seems odd that a Russian state would still maintain a huge manpower bonus, even when in a completely different area.

Some of them also seem to be a lot more powerful than others. Which is a little annoying.

It might be better to instead have a "central idea", which you get to pick from, and is increased in a similar way.

[Dutchling]

I like it too. I do hope some of the functions of admin power will be moved to diplomacy or military though. Admin power seems to be the one and only thing that stops you from ruling the world.