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DrKillPatient

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Laptop queries
« on: August 06, 2012, 07:39:12 pm »

Having become rather irritated with the shortcomings of my current Macbook (which I use for both schoolwork and leisure), I've decided to look for a new computer, perhaps by the start of the schoolyear late this month. I've semi-recently delved into Linux, and quite like the system, but I know that it won't be sufficient for some of what I do at school. Ideally, I'd like to dual-boot Linux and Windows 7 on whatever computer I get, using Linux primarily and Windows for whatever cannot be used through WINE. I do, in fact, have a license and a disc for Windows 7 already, so saving some money by buying a computer without a preinstalled OS may be worth contemplating. (I would be installing Linux myself.)

I already have my eye on a particular computer, the Gazelle Professional from System76. System76 ships computers with Ubuntu Linux (saving me the price of preinstalled Windows-- I can overwrite Ubuntu with any distro I want, of course), and are currently having a deal that allows a free upgrade to either a 500GB hybrid drive (with 4GB SSD) or a 750GB hard drive. Not having dealt with hardware comparisons in quite some time, especially with recent hardware, I have several questions regarding this (under the assumption that budget is not a problem):

(full list of hardware possibilities can be found under the "customize" option)

1. Is this a decent choice for a laptop in the first place? If not, what other brands would you recommand (ideally ones that are known to be Linux-friendly)?

2. Which of the choice of hard drive would be preferable? Should I go with one of the free upgrades, (most likely the regular HD, since I don't know how well Linux handles hybrid drives) or just get an SSD (which, as I understand, may not be worth it due to its newness-- I prefer to use tried-and-true hardware if new models have the possibility of breakage)?

3. With relation to the other hardware, e.g. RAM amounts and processors, I know little of how much is the "usual" as of now. Are the defaults fairly powerful? Ideally, I'd like to get a computer that's a bit ahead of the average so that it can ultimately last longer before becoming obsolete.

4. Graphics card. I've heard horror stories about Nvidia/ATI on Linux, especially with relation to laptops and powersaving. On the other hand, I've heard that Intel graphics cards, while not as powerful, have pretty decent Linux support. Being open source and thus more easily malleable by Linux devs, I am inclined to think they are superior (support-wise, perhaps not by raw performance). Is this indeed true?

5. Battery life. I've heard that battery life on Linux can be a bit lower than when running another OS, but I have only tested this on a Mac, which is very heavily optimized for Mac OS. I generally bring a charger with me everywhere I go, so this shouldn't be a problem. Or will it?


Also, things that particularly intrigue me with relation to the laptop I mentioned are:
- The keyboard. My Macbook has a very similar keyboard and I find it excellent.
- Multitouch scrolling. Another Mac-related favorite.
- A built-in numpad. My current laptop doesn't have a numpad, but I like the use of it on my desktop. I play/code roguelikes fairly often, too, so this is a nice bonus I suppose.
- Generic enough to run Windows. This is something that the Mac fails at in some cases, particularly with relation to battery life.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2012, 07:49:01 pm by DrKillPatient »
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Re: Laptop queries
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2012, 08:19:45 pm »

Linux has a bitch of a time for support of AMD and Nvidia cards as one: proprietary. Linus Torvalds himself told Nvidia to fuck off as their driver support is horrible, battery wise i know Ubuntu is good with graphics support (stick with Nvidia if ever on Ubuntu) but they spend way too many hours trying to optimize it when the manufacturers  can do it. Intel is great for power saving and support just don't expect to do shit with gaming and thats all you gotta worry. With the new Ivy bridge chips people have been able to get 2+ hours of work. I honestly can tell you i don't like that company, its pushing way too close with Apple in my case. I can tell you they are using a older model of the Clevo barebones laptops for OEMS, i rather suggest a better company like OriginPC or Sager. Drive wise, SSD is awesome for boottime, i dunno about linux as i never had that combo done yet but as long there is TRIM support you should be fine. Only issue is people don't know when they will fail, no one actually killed one from overuse yet and many companies try prolong their products in many ways. I would suggest you to look for laptops that have the dual hard drive setups now so you can have a SSD+HD. keyboard just depends on the brand and Clevos are nice, touchpad though i dunno anyone doing multi-touch (considering there is no need for it). thats my spiel.

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Re: Laptop queries
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2012, 08:30:33 pm »

Intel is great for power saving and support just don't expect to do shit with gaming and thats all you gotta worry.
Do Intel cards have at least decent 3D capability? I don't expect to be doing much high-end gaming, but could it run something along the lines of Minecraft at an acceptable framerate?

With the new Ivy bridge chips people have been able to get 2+ hours of work. I honestly can tell you i don't like that company, its pushing way too close with Apple in my case.
Do you mean "over two hours" or "two more hours"? Also, by "that company", are you referring to Canonical, Intel, or System76? I know of Canonical being rather Apple-like lately, and I actually plan to replace Ubuntu with another distro if I were to get that laptop. I'm definitely capable of installing my own system, so the preinstalled OS not really a problem.
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Re: Laptop queries
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2012, 08:36:07 pm »

Intel is great for power saving and support just don't expect to do shit with gaming and thats all you gotta worry.
Do Intel cards have at least decent 3D capability? I don't expect to be doing much high-end gaming, but could it run something along the lines of Minecraft at an acceptable framerate?
They will defintely run minecraft, i don't have one to test but the 4000 is vastly improve on gaming for lowend.
With the new Ivy bridge chips people have been able to get 2+ hours of work. I honestly can tell you i don't like that company, its pushing way too close with Apple in my case.
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Do you mean "over two hours" or "two more hours"? Also, by "that company", are you referring to Canonical, Intel, or System76? I know of Canonical being rather Apple-like lately, and I actually plan to replace Ubuntu with another distro if I were to get that laptop. I'm definitely capable of installing my own system, so the preinstalled OS not really a problem.
i mean the laptop will operate for 2+ hours (i don't have time or resource to test this stuff). I don't like System76, the layout of the website is appleish and their professional laptop doesn't even have any other GPU option which alot of professionals need for photoshopping, video and CAD. They are using a old Clevo thats all i can tell you. Ubuntu yea they been trailing with apple but i can't get rid of it due to immese hardware support they have.
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Re: Laptop queries
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2012, 08:55:04 pm »

In that case, perhaps it's worth looking at other companies. Do you know anything about Lenovo laptops with regards to Linux? I have heard that they have better-than-usual support, but with the new Optimus stuff I'm not sure anymore.
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Re: Laptop queries
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2012, 08:57:21 pm »

In that case, perhaps it's worth looking at other companies. Do you know anything about Lenovo laptops with regards to Linux? I have heard that they have better-than-usual support, but with the new Optimus stuff I'm not sure anymore.
See thats the issue, i don't think Optimus is even support via Linux.

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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2012, 09:07:50 pm »

Apparently Lenovo is one of the only companies around that allows you to select whether to use one graphics card or the other (or both, with Optimus) in BIOS. So actually, if Optimus isn't supported by my distro (which it can be on some occasions, with Bumblebee), I can just run one card at a time that way, which is a decent solution. I'm now taking a look at Lenovo laptops...
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Re: Laptop queries
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 09:14:03 pm »

Apparently Lenovo is one of the only companies around that allows you to select whether to use one graphics card or the other (or both, with Optimus) in BIOS. So actually, if Optimus isn't supported by my distro (which it can be on some occasions, with Bumblebee), I can just run one card at a time that way, which is a decent solution. I'm now taking a look at Lenovo laptops...
Lenovo is a great company business wise, you hear far less complaining from anyone with their products. If you still need something customizable check the companies listed up top as they are far reputable companies with lots of wiggle room with their laptops.