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amjh

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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #90 on: August 04, 2012, 04:47:40 pm »

No, we haven't. If you advance the art of hammermaking, it's only a matter of time before your innovations become standard. When that happens, either you have a monopoly on hammers, or you have competitors who are also allowed to create "better" hammers. This is why patents MUST expire within a relatively short time. Anything else leads to total technological stagnation.
In that case, there'd be a huge risk of getting a big dept from the research cost as competitors take part of the profit, meaning he propably wouldn't do it no matter how much he wants it. Very few innovations that require investments would be made, because they would lead to financial troubles.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #91 on: August 04, 2012, 04:54:34 pm »

Not if you have a few years head-start on competition.

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« Reply #92 on: August 04, 2012, 04:57:05 pm »

I didn't say that patents shouldn't exist, I just said that all technology should be public domain after ~5 years. Maybe ten.
This just makes companies have to research more and lets a red queen's race advance our technology rather than letting companies sell the same "propietary, advanced, space-age" stuff 30 years after it's obsolete just because nobody else is allowed to make improvements to their basic product?

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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #93 on: August 04, 2012, 05:01:01 pm »

Two things:

1: What is a relatively short time? I mean. I don't disagree with you. Clearly we have issues. But I dunno if it is possible for anyone to actually point to a certain time.

2: Some things never go out of style. How would you handle those? I mean. What about things that are not innovations, but just the way past work was put together. How do you handle things that are valuable forever?
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #94 on: August 04, 2012, 05:10:38 pm »


This is simply it in most things now a days: The making of the idea is much much much harder and more expensive then the making of the product. You thinking might have worked like... eight thousand years ago. But we sorta moved past that.



Edit: Actually. I still have my question unanswered. Why is it immoral for people to not create when they feel they have not been promised enough compensation?

Oh wow this got longer than I originally intended (yay preview!). TLDR version:

A) Yes, it's hard to come up with ideas, but that doesn't mean it's hard to implement an already developed idea.
B) If you did a really good job on an idea and people value it highly after you were already compensated, too bad.  If you want to get a lot of compensation, come up with another thing and I bet people will pay a lot for you to do so - unless you were a one-hit-wonder.  After all, what about the flip side, where people paid you to create something, and it was valued far less than you got paid?
C) It's not that "not creating" for too little compensation is immoral - it's that preventing other people from using an already created idea is immoral.
D) I believe that eliminating all copyright and patent law and going back to a commission-based system (see Kickstarter, see famous artists in the 1600s) would be better for society, would be a more fair system, and would actually encourage more development because the risk is on the commissioner (not the artist) and the benefit is shared by everyone, not just a few.

The Full Rambling Dissertation:
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Anyway, that's probably all from me on this one for now... what's really interesting is I think (after many years) I have formed and solidified my opinion on what I think the solution to the IP situation should be: eliminate it all and return to the commissioning model.

Edit: The reason people will still commission works at risk is either because they know that if the work succeeds then their quality of life will go up ("sweet I have this new tool so the world doesn't have to work as hard to make widgets, so I can get more widgets for the same amount of money!"), or that they will get some kind of bragging rights ("I was the one that sponsored that artist!"). The big change is that people will get a more distributed, even benefit for the material improvements, rather than today when technological improvements disproportionately give a small number of people a large benefit for a fairly long period and slowly (if at all) add benefit to a large population.  For instance: some new fuel economy technology by one automaker lines the pockets of some small number of people related to that automaker while only slightly reducing the fuel costs for that company's customers, and doesn't do anything for customers of all the other companies.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #95 on: August 04, 2012, 05:16:17 pm »

Whoever loses...we win

Pretty much this.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #96 on: August 04, 2012, 05:18:26 pm »

Whoever loses...we win

Pretty much this.

Yeah it really is.

It is evil versus evil. Except unlike usual where it is on our own expense... it isn't.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #97 on: August 04, 2012, 05:23:29 pm »

Hilarious, absolutely hilarious.
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« Reply #98 on: August 04, 2012, 07:21:13 pm »

McTraveller... that was amazing. I never really though of that. I can see how that actually could work, at least in some fields...

Neonivek: The problem is that whoever loses less will score a PR victory. We really can't afford either of them doing so... Other than that I agree.
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« Reply #99 on: August 04, 2012, 08:05:22 pm »

If I were EA, I would definitely not settle this one.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #100 on: August 04, 2012, 08:17:54 pm »

And why should they, they have a pretty strong case and enough money to push it to it's inevitable and ugly end. Settling would rather stupid of them.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #101 on: August 04, 2012, 09:24:05 pm »

I really hate Zynga but mostly because all their hipster douchebag employees that hang around my neighborhood and go to the Whole Foods at lunch and generally park their cars all over the place and did I mention they were all hipster douchebags?

SO yeah I hope the have to lay off a bunch of employees mainly so we can get some of our parking spaces back.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #102 on: August 04, 2012, 10:08:17 pm »

Hey now.  Let's not insult hipsters too much here.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #103 on: August 04, 2012, 11:04:48 pm »

Why? Do you have a plaid flannel shirt, ride a fixed gear bike, eat organic food from food trucks, and work at Zynga?
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« Reply #104 on: August 04, 2012, 11:05:55 pm »

Not sure if satisfies definition of hipster.
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