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Author Topic: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville  (Read 20743 times)

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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2012, 05:12:40 pm »

Heh. Fun stuff.

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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2012, 05:33:49 pm »

Wasn't the head of Zygna once quoted as saying something to the effect of "Beg, borrow or steal anything we can use. I don't want innovation, I want what has worked before and makes money"?
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2012, 05:37:37 pm »

It's not really relevant how good or bad EA are compared to Zynga - on this case, they've got extremely damning evidence that Zynga is in the wrong.

They stollen stuff before... I really doubt that even the dark powers of EA can win this case against the Evil Overlords of Zynga.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2012, 05:44:18 pm »

They've never stolen stuff from a company with the kind of resources EA has.

There's damning evidence against them, and they're against a massive corporation with the legal resources to murder them.  They're gonna get it.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2012, 05:47:27 pm »

Yea, their successful stealing has been from small developers who didn't have the monetary resources needed for legal recourse.

They pretty much stole candy from little kids and now they're about to get their teeth curbstomped out because they tried to steal from another, much bigger bully.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2012, 06:14:46 pm »

Well, no, they got away with it because it was perfectly legal. In previous cases, they would take the gameplay and some of the look and layout, but that's nothing that can get you in trouble in that market. In most cases, the games they 'stole' from had themselves taken everything nearly verbatim from previous, non-facebook games. 'Bingo' is hardly a new idea, nor was the tower game.

What makes this case so different are the identical RGB values. Without those, EA would not have a leg to stand on. The statistical improbability of both using the exact same values that either:
A. Zynga stole assets from EA directly
B. EA stole assets from Zynga
C. EA and Zynga got their assets from either the same third party OR their designers in-house were basing the colors on some widely used, formulaic standard.

C is an interesting possibility, as it is not unheard of to contract out work like that to third parties, nor is it uncommon for said third parties to work for multiple competing companies in the same sector. It also isn't unheard of for designers to use the same or a similar pallet from one game to the next; these are either created by the designer at some point or could be pulled from some outside source like an art blog. A third party is unlikely though, as Zynga does most of their design in-house at their game studios. A similar origin from an art blog or other source is also very unlikely, but not impossible.

B is also a possibility; this isn't Zynga's first game, nor is it their first game in which the players have human avatars. It is entirely possible EA's designers pulled color values from one of Zynga's other games, and the Zynga re-used their values for the new game. Unlikely, but not impossible.

A is probably the most likely option. We all know Zynga pulls from other games for inspiration (to put in mildly), so it is certainly within the realm of possibility that the assets were taken directly from EA's game. Unless Zynga can show B or C happened, EA has a pretty good shot in their case against them.

It doesn't matter the legal assets the previous allegations' companies had; they still had no leg to stand on. In those cases, Zynga took the gameplay ideas (perfectly legal) but entirely reworked the graphics, typically in a much more polished manner than the originals. Stealing assets directly is in another ballpark entirely.

Edit: Another thing I wasn't aware of: apparently Zynga was hiring quite a few ex-EA staff. Which would make it much more likely that assets were reused, as personal flash drives and other things will quite often have at least some assets of a game a developer previously worked on. And if, in fact, that is the case, that's quite possibly even more illegal than simply grabbing textures directly from game images.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2012, 06:31:29 pm »

Wasn't the head of Zygna once quoted as saying something to the effect of "Beg, borrow or steal anything we can use. I don't want innovation, I want what has worked before and makes money"?

"I don't fucking want innovation. You're not smarter than your competitor. Just copy what they do and do it until you get their numbers."

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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2012, 06:46:25 pm »

Guys, Guys, this could be bad.
What if EA somehow eats Zynga, and they end up rolling in Facebook dollars?
The horror.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2012, 06:49:19 pm »

Guys, Guys, this could be bad.
What if EA somehow eats Zynga, and they end up rolling in Facebook dollars?
The horror.

I'm no legal expert, but I don't think that's how it works...  :P
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2012, 06:49:53 pm »

Guys, Guys, this could be bad.
What if EA somehow eats Zynga, and they end up rolling in Facebook dollars?
The horror.

I'm no legal expert, but I don't think that's how it works...  :P

Yeah... they are suing them for one instance of stealing...
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2012, 06:50:02 pm »

Guys, Guys, this could be bad.
What if EA somehow eats Zynga, and they end up rolling in Facebook dollars?
The horror.

I'm no legal expert, but I don't think that's how it works...  :P
I know but this IS 2012.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2012, 06:52:31 pm »

I can see two possibilities:
One or both companies are wounded or killed and the world rejoices at the blow struck against evil business practices and shovelware.
EA absorbs Zygna/they otherwise return to friendly terms and nothing changes, if anything strengthening the legitimacy of the companies and practices.

Obviously the first outcome is preferable, but EA is rich enough to be pretty much safe when it comes to legal combat. (reminds me of those games where you are a fish/cell/blob of mercury/whatever and you try to eat smaller ones and avoid larger.)
Then again, apparently this Spamville garbage made Zygna a bundle, so they might be able to do some damage...

Be interesting how this turns out...

To the four ninjas, yeah, that is unlikely to come from THIS incident, but it puts Zygna squarely in EA's sights. That's a hit list you don't stay on for long, one way or another.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2012, 06:55:50 pm »

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see EA absorb Zynga since they've been trying to move into the social gaming space recently.

Relatively speaking, it wouldn't take a whole lot of money either since Zynga's stock is only worth about $2/share now.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2012, 08:41:18 pm »

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see EA absorb Zynga since they've been trying to move into the social gaming space recently.

Relatively speaking, it wouldn't take a whole lot of money either since Zynga's stock is only worth about $2/share now.

EA already own a pretty sizable chunk of the facebook/social gaming space, with their Playfish division they make a lot of really big games. I don't think a company as embattled as Zynga appeals to them, especially when they're being investigated by the SEC.
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Re: So EA is suing Zynga over the Ville
« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2012, 12:21:12 am »

This is good.  I will be paying attention to this.  It amuses me.
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