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[MetalSlimeHunt]

We actually sent the rover to determine the parameters of a future manned mission and the history of Mars, not to find life.

[rarborman]

Whos this we? Did you help build the rover? the rockets? the parashute? the computer? the plans to send it? the idea that mars is a nice place to send rovers? can you even find mars in the sky at night without being told where it is? are you going to be on the future manned missions? why the fuck does anyone ever use "we" to discribe trivial things scientists do for dumb reasons with money the people that control your debt give them? America might as well be using a borrowed chinese rover for all that its worth.

[Loud Whispers]

Whos this we?

-"As a species."

Why the fuck does anyone ever use "we" to discribe trivial things scientists do for dumb reasons with money the people that control your debt give them?

[Derekristow]

I know they sent the rover to find life on mars, but unless it wants to trade the universes secret recipe of life for the souls of our ancestors... I really dont think anyone but a dozen or so scientists are going to be any more then excited.

Say they do find actual martian life, even ancient life or fossilized evidence of lifeforms or even living thriving lifeforms, its not going to change anything... not a damn thing, if you look at it as an achievement and say "we did that", well "we" didnt do shit some scientists did that shit, we just watched them do it or just simple were told it was done.

I think that quite a lot of people would care about direct proof that we aren't alone in the universe.  In fact, it would almost certainly be one of the most important discoveries in modern times, if not all of human history.

Whos this we? Did you help build the rover? the rockets? the parashute? the computer? the plans to send it? the idea that mars is a nice place to send rovers? can you even find mars in the sky at night without being told where it is? are you going to be on the future manned missions?

'We' can be used to refer to humanity as a whole.  If you want to get technical about it, though, everyone contributed a bit by playing a part in the economy.

why the fuck does anyone ever use "we" to discribe trivial things scientists do for dumb reasons with money the people that control your debt give them? America might as well be using a borrowed chinese rover for all that its worth.

NASA isn't a huge cost for the government, and certainly isn't behind the debt crisis.  Also, I think you're undervaluing the research that the government does.  The economy gets the money put into NASA back many times over because of all the new technologies the organization creates.

[kaijyuu]

Few things have more value to us than knowledge. Trivial as you may believe it to be.

[sluissa]

They've also stated very clearly that the mission is NOT to look for life... they did include instruments which are capable of finding evidence that life might have left behind. And instruments to look for environments which might, or might have supported life, but they've always been very clear, they could not look for life itself with what they've got. So short of some little grey dude walking out there and waving at the camera, Curiosity will not find life.

[Loud Whispers]

Few things have more value to us than knowledge. Trivial as you may believe it to be.

I find it quite sad that people measure science by its ability to generate money these days...

[kaijyuu]

Indeed. I hate it when people criticize science/philosophy when it's not "practical," as if it's the means and not the end.

[rarborman]

Knowledge, even if you know everything it doesnt make you happy, healthy, and wise.

Knowing about life on a rock in space you cannot ever visit, sure... its just like knowing your just another person in the vast empyness of space, that neither cares that you exist or will miss you when your gone... its just something you'll know.

Knowlegde has long since lost its value, when 'we' lived in fear of the world, when walking alone ment death... then knowlege had some meaning some value, but now 'we' use it to devalue life to show us we mean nothing... no, knowledge is trivial now.

[kaijyuu]

Things have value only because we define them to. If you don't value knowledge, then sure whatever, but don't throw it away out of fear. Ignorance isn't bliss.

We can transcend necessity and start valuing simple want.

[Scelly9]

Knowledge, even if you know everything it doesnt make you happy, healthy, and wise.

I don't know about you, but knowledge makes me pretty freaking Happy, and therefore my mental state is more healthy, and as a result of that, I have more time to become wise.

[freeformschooler]

Knowledge, even if you know everything it doesnt make you happy, healthy, and wise.

I don't know about you, but knowledge makes me pretty freaking Happy, and therefore my mental state is more healthy, and as a result of that, I have more time to become wise.

Excellently said

[Loud Whispers]

Knowledge, even if you know everything it doesnt make you happy, healthy, and wise.

I don't know about you, but knowledge makes me pretty freaking Happy, and therefore my mental state is more healthy, and as a result of that, I have more time to become wise.

Not to mention said knowledge fuels the expansion of aforementioned knowledge, which in turn is used to increase the quality of life for "we" as a species.

[Bauglir]

Knowledge, even if you know everything it doesnt make you happy, healthy, and wise.

You, sir, have clearly never read a good book after well-cooked meal and a doctor's visit.

Knowing about life on a rock in space you cannot ever visit, sure... its just like knowing your just another person in the vast empyness of space, that neither cares that you exist or will miss you when your gone... its just something you'll know.

Why is this a problem? Why isn't this something to be pursued? Even if you insist on everything having practical value, surely the humans to inhabit the Earth a few decades from now might be better suited to applying the knowledge? How can you try to change it if you refuse to accept the value of that knowledge in the first place?

Knowlegde has long since lost its value, when 'we' lived in fear of the world, when walking alone ment death... then knowlege had some meaning some value, but now 'we' use it to devalue life to show us we mean nothing... no, knowledge is trivial now.

Bullshit. You can use it for whatever you want, but I'll be happy to keep exploring the wonders of the infinite cosmos, understanding more about myself and where I came from and where I, and everyone I've ever known, are headed. If there is a God, then it's in studying Creation that His face is to be seen.

[rarborman]

I'm sorry but when you have tarts walking around alive, and people with years of schooling working at service industries, no nothing has value, because we want to all be friends and have a gay romp through space to mars, doesnt mean it has value.
I'm sorry but when the world is full of fat sick idiots, there is no knowlegde worth a damn.

This thread isnt about medical ignorance so I'm not going into it.