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[TomiTapio]

And what about not exactly a workshop, or a building, but a new tile attribute, like muddied, rough and smooth attributes. What I mean, is that I designate an area (like in mining), an the dwarves will perform some kind of work on that area, and the end result will be that all of those tiles in that area will receive a suffix like this:

You think Toady would add such a new tile attribute? No attributes can be added via modding. (We'd have stuff like "acid bath floor" and "electric shock floor" if we could add such. A swimming-pool of syndrome-inducing milk.. hmm.. might be doable.)

Just a crazy idea - the reaction produces vapor with syndrome that makes farmer lay eggs. Then he occupies nest and lays "egg" plant that then is to be hatched till it transforms into mature plant.

Highly unlikely that a citizen would occupy a nest. Also very doubtlful to hatch an egg into a plant.

[towerdude]

And what about not exactly a workshop, or a building, but a new tile attribute, like muddied, rough and smooth attributes. What I mean, is that I designate an area (like in mining), an the dwarves will perform some kind of work on that area, and the end result will be that all of those tiles in that area will receive a suffix like this:

You think Toady would add such a new tile attribute? No attributes can be added via modding. (We'd have stuff like "acid bath floor" and "electric shock floor" if we could add such. A swimming-pool of syndrome-inducing milk.. hmm.. might be doable.)

So beside the [BIOME:ANY_OCEAN] method, is there anything what you can think about, or any kind of mod, that is closest to what I have described?

[Roses]

Nope, your only two options are seeing if adding the BIOME tag works, or making a green house workshop like mentioned.

No way to change tile attributes, or allow farming in any other way.

[towerdude]

And is there no way to "transform" one biome into another in-game?

For example if I build the farm of the small shore it can "see" my seeds. And if I use the console to place obsidian floor to extend the shore, these new tiles will support seeds (so I suppose, the connection between the obsidian floors and the land, transformed the former ocean biome tag into another which support farming).

[i2amroy]

And is there no way to "transform" one biome into another in-game?

For example if I build the farm of the small shore it can "see" my seeds. And if I use the console to place obsidian floor to extend the shore, these new tiles will support seeds (so I suppose, the connection between the obsidian floors and the land, transformed the former ocean biome tag into another which support farming).

Not really. Modding mostly deals with changing the content of the game (new creatures, weapons, plants, etc.) where what you are looking for is more the domain of memory editing utilities (such as DFHack). So other then enabling the ocean biome on whatever plants you want to grow, modding can't really help you in their realm that much. You might be able to use the console and whatnot to get much more done, but that would be up to the people who manage the various utilities to figure out.

[Mephansteras]

Hmm.

Here would be my suggestion for a green-house to help with the time issue:

1) Make the reaction take a bulk lot of seeds. That slows down the timing considerably. So, say, you need 10 seeds to do the reaction.

2) Have the reaction produce a 'Seedling' for each seed.

3) Have a reaction to take 10 Seedlings to produce a Sprout, and another to get a 'Young Plant' and so on until the reaction takes a reasonable amount of time.

This is just off the top off my head. Not sure how much coding you'd need to get it to work. You might need specific reactions for each plant. I haven't worked with plants yet, so I don't know how finicky the system is with them.

[i2amroy]

3) Have a reaction to take 10 Seedlings to produce a Sprout, and another to get a 'Young Plant' and so on until the reaction takes a reasonable amount of time.

This is just off the top off my head. Not sure how much coding you'd need to get it to work. You might need specific reactions for each plant. I haven't worked with plants yet, so I don't know how finicky the system is with them.

You would need individual reactions for each plant, so that would be a bit of a drawback. However if you put the [AUTOMATIC] token on all of the reactions except for the first seed->sprout one then your dwarves will automatically queue up all of the later reactions in turn after you make the sprouts, cutting a lot of the micromanagement out of the job.

[towerdude]

I have tried this [BIOME:ANY_OCEAN], but it wouldn't work.

[ArKFallen]

I have tried this [BIOME:ANY_OCEAN], but it wouldn't work.

I just tried and it worked, before and after gen.
You did put [BIOME:ANY_OCEAN] under/after the [PLANT:X] token right? If so it should work... unless you put it in the wrong raws. The "raw/objects" folder you see when you look at the dwarf fortress folder is what is put into new worlds you generate, not already generated worlds. The "data/save/regionX/raw/objects" folder(s) holds the raws for the already generated worlds. If you wanted to do it in a current world you need to edit those raws.

[GreatWyrmGold]

The best you could do is a workshop that turns seeds into plants, but as mentioned, I don't think there's anyway to make it work like a farm so you'd produce food very, very quickly.

Maybe if you used DFHack or something to put dirt tiles on constructed floors?

Just a crazy idea - the reaction produces vapor with syndrome that makes farmer lay eggs. Then he occupies nest and lays "egg" plant that then is to be hatched till it transforms into mature plant.

It could turn the farmer into a creature that lays plants AS eggs, but A. you can't have eggs "hatch" into items, B. there's no way to get the farmer to actually go and lay the eggs, and C. IIRC, transformations on citizens tend to cause interesting issues.

3) Have a reaction to take 10 Seedlings to produce a Sprout, and another to get a 'Young Plant' and so on until the reaction takes a reasonable amount of time.

This is just off the top off my head. Not sure how much coding you'd need to get it to work. You might need specific reactions for each plant. I haven't worked with plants yet, so I don't know how finicky the system is with them.

You would need individual reactions for each plant, so that would be a bit of a drawback. However if you put the [AUTOMATIC] token on all of the reactions except for the first seed->sprout one then your dwarves will automatically queue up all of the later reactions in turn after you make the sprouts, cutting a lot of the micromanagement out of the job.

You could do something like a MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT on the seed materials--the seeds would make a "sprout" of the plant material specified with the MRP, and then go from there.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

LAYS_UNUSAL_EGGS

[Toxicshadow]

LAYS_UNUSAL_EGGS

That looks like a Putnam quote...Oh no, Hugo don't pick up the one-line reply habits!

[towerdude]

Somebody already told me that this is because some biomes don't support seeds. I pointed out that not being able to farm on constructed floors over oceans is unrealistic.

if it's got mud on it, then it's unrealistic.

however, if you meant without mud, have you tried growing stuff on solid, bare concrete?

I meant with mud.

However even the concrete example isn't far fetched.

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[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

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That Tree is not a tree, It a Ninja in Stealth.

[towerdude]

So basically farming is possible anywhere, since even after a year, natural erosion and microbes enable the formation of a thin soil layer. I have seen plants growing on grinded glass.

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In the light of soild formation, we should be able to plant crops on muddy constructed tiles. And not the biome types should restrict farming, but temperature. That mean we should be able to farm in mountain biomes with the right conditions, since the transition from lifeless peaks to the feet of the mountains is seamless. For instance on the border of another biome, it is pretty much the same.