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[Shakerag]

but in the meantime there's not much wrong with eating the corpses.

I think the animals would beg to differ if they could. 

The political side is vastly preferable. My issue is that there are very few political parties or organizations that I would feel comfortable in supporting on this issue. PETA have the highest profile but they're daft as a brush.

I have ... mixed opinions about PETA, but there are many other organizations out there (PCRM, Farm Sanctuary, ALDF, etc.)

[scrdest]

I like the way we ran out of stupid things, so now we're debating whether or not meat eating is a good idea.

Also, screw PETA. They aren't good in my book.
Animal testing is immoral and such, but they have the opinion that using animals in ANY way is EVIL!

I think my cats would beg to differ.

Let's not go into PETA being chummy with ALF, who are like real-life LCS except less stable.

[Shakerag]

I like the way we ran out of stupid things, so now we're debating whether or not meat eating is a good idea.

Also, screw PETA. They aren't good in my book.
Animal testing is immoral and such, but they have the opinion that using animals in ANY way is EVIL!

I think my cats would beg to differ.

Cats use you, anyway.  Everyone knows that. 

[Owlbread]

I think the animals would beg to differ if they could. 

Regarding the fact that they had been killed for meat, or that I was eating their corpse?

[My Name is Immaterial]

Nah, cause the only reason I'm not Vegetarian is because of chicken, and the only reason I'm not vegan, other than chicken, is cheese.

Err... I'm pretty sure the other items on the list still make you not a vegetarian. You eat meat. Many different types. Literally the only thing you don't is mammals. Maybe there's a name for that, but it's not vegetarian.

Fish is DEFINITELY considered meat. Bugs are sort of an edge case, but most people consider them meat too. If you say you're a vegetarian but that you eat fish, most vegetarians are just going to laugh at you. It's like saying you're a hacker because you guessed someone's password to their email (which was password1).

But if chicken didn't exist, I wouldn't eat animals. That's the point I wanted to make.

I think my cats would beg to differ.

Wut. Seriously, though. I'm confused.

[ChairmanPoo]

Animal testing is immoral and such

Animal testing is ESSENTIAL for research and development of new drugs and therapies.

[Darvi]

Nonono, see, GO volunteered for the job, and he hates it.

[BlackFlyme]

I think my cats would beg to differ.

Wut. Seriously, though. I'm confused.

PETA protests the owning of pets. Their ideals are very strange, I had to watch a few documentaries on them in school.

[scrdest]

Animal testing is immoral and such

Animal testing is ESSENTIAL for research and development of new drugs and therapies.

Yeah, it's either that or testing something potentially harmful on humans. Although given the existence of VHEMT, I suspect some of animal-rightera would be fine with the latter.

[My Name is Immaterial]

I think my cats would beg to differ.

Wut. Seriously, though. I'm confused.

PETA protests the owning of pets. Their ideals are very strange, I had to watch a few documentaries on them in school.

Oh, that. I've heard about the owning thing. End of the day, I'll let them do their thing. Bring on the cheesy chicken!

[Shakerag]

Animal testing is immoral and such

Animal testing is ESSENTIAL for research and development of new drugs and therapies.

The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine would disagree.

Yeah, it's either that or testing something potentially harmful on humans. Although given the existence of VHEMT, I suspect some of animal-rightera would be fine with the latter.

Oh hey, I have some stickers from VEHMT.  Never would have thought I'd see that name mentioned. 

But, um, yeah, false dichotomy there.  It isn't "test on humans or animals or nothing".  For example.

[scrdest]

Animal testing is immoral and such

Animal testing is ESSENTIAL for research and development of new drugs and therapies.

Yeah, it's either that or testing something potentially harmful on humans. Although given the existence of VHEMT, I suspect some of animal-rightera would be fine with the latter.

Thing is, why is it more moral to use it on animals than it is on humans? Are humans somehow more superior than animals?

EDIT: Actually, I'll go make a thread so we stop spamming this thread with the animals rights stuff.

Not necessarily, but assuming they aren't superior, which we don't have much reasons to believe, there's no reason not to use them if you can pick. If you think human suffering is neither more nor less important to that of an animal, why would inflicting the same amount of suffering be less moral when you use animals?

And if human suffering trumps animal suffering, no issue either.

[Graknorke]

Humans are capable of consenting to testing while other animals aren't?
...this is reminding me of the bestiality/slaughter discussion we had earlier.

[Sirus]

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=132352.0

OK, go here for the animal rights stuff. This thread is for stupid people/quotes, not debates.

Srsly people. New thread. Take it there.

[Graknorke]

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=132352.0

OK, go here for the animal rights stuff. This thread is for stupid people/quotes, not debates.

Srsly people. New thread. Take it there.

Whelp, in a meta context I guess my post belongs here because I completely missed that. I though greatorder posted scrdest's post or... something. Brain tired no work too good.