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[Vector]

I take it that no one here knows what "genderfluid" is?

I mean everybody is people to me too, but I'm sure there is at least subconsciously a threat-level/competition check for other males and some kind of attraction-check for females when I meet someone. On a subconscious level you can hardly avoid these things.

Everyone gets a threat-check, and everyone gets an attraction-check.

And guys and gals have different chemicals produced, so guys and gals are different both physically and psychologically.

I dunno, am I disqualified from femalehood for having unusually high levels of prenatal testosterone?

[Devling]

And guys and gals have different chemicals produced, so guys and gals are different both physically and psychologically.

I dunno, am I disqualified from femalehood for having unusually high levels of prenatal testosterone?

No? I don't know how my statement implies it does.

[Vector]

What I'm trying to say is that "men and women are different because they produce different hormones" is sort of weird.  A transgendered person can still be female while producing "male" hormones.  Those hormones are not what determines their femininity.

[Devling]

What I'm trying to say is that "men and women are different because they produce different hormones" is sort of weird.  A transgendered person can still be female while producing "male" hormones.  Those hormones are not what determines their femininity.

It's true though. Physically female and male people make female and male hormones. (except for people that are physically neither gender) A transgender person rejects their physical sex, so while they are mentally and socially the gender of their choosing they are still physically the gender they were assigned at birth, and produce those kinds of chemicals.

I don't know if that's insensitive or rantey.

[Ogdibus]

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[XXSockXX]

I take it that no one here knows what "genderfluid" is?

I don't.

I mean everybody is people to me too, but I'm sure there is at least subconsciously a threat-level/competition check for other males and some kind of attraction-check for females when I meet someone. On a subconscious level you can hardly avoid these things.

Everyone gets a threat-check, and everyone gets an attraction-check.

I definitely have to give you that point. Attraction is sexual orientation based only and in theory everbody needs to be threat-checked to guarantee ideal survival circumstances (women can be much more subtile and more deadly competition).

Still I feel unable to fully imagine myself as a woman, so I guess a certain barrier does exist between genders, even if we can't easily describe it. We are chemically and physiologically different (though at least the chemicals seem to even out at a certain age). And you really can't compare the sexuality, that is more similar than what cultural cliches tell us, yet still fundamentally different, just for physiological reasons (and probably genetic programming too).

[Vector]

No, a certain barrier exists between you and femalehood.

"You really can't compare the sexuality?"  What in the heck are you talking about?

[Ogdibus]

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[Loud Whispers]

No, a certain barrier exists between you and femalehood.

What defines being a man or woman?

[Vector]

I don't know.  I don't feel particularly either.

[XXSockXX]

No, a certain barrier exists between you and femalehood.

"You really can't compare the sexuality?"  What in the heck are you talking about?

Ehm, first of all sexual organs, that work very differently and I suppose feel very differently (which is the kind of thing you can never really know).
Then sexual behaviour where males are on average much less risk-averse (which I believe partially has cultural reasons, but also a simple biological one, men can't get pregnant.)

[Putnam]

That's not really a biological reason, since mens' genetic code won't get passed before they have children just the same as women if they die.

[XXSockXX]

That's not really a biological reason, since mens' genetic code won't get passed before they have children just the same as women if they die.

Well, on a stupid ape level of thinking - males don't have to worry about impregnating someone, they can just leave. Females however have to worry that they may be left with a child uncared for. That's why many animals develop some sort of social structures.

[Putnam]

And what says that children must be cared for by women as opposed to men?

[Devling]

And what says that children must be cared for by women as opposed to men?

The fact that women are saddled with a baby for 9 months, while men can just go and find another girl.

That's why we have social responsibility and pressure to, you know, raise your kids and stuff.