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Devling

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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #4995 on: May 11, 2013, 07:52:50 pm »

No, no, no.
We had a thread derail about Anarchistic philosophy on one thread for like 20 pages!
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« Reply #4996 on: May 11, 2013, 08:00:21 pm »

From what I understand anarchy in a political sense is about removing as much government as possible? So regulatory bodies would be removed.
I actually haven't got a very good idea of how it is meant to work. People tell me it is left wing, but left wing is historically attached to the socialist movement that gives government a lot of control, so who the hell even knows...

You should check Marx himself - who held that communism was to be a final stage where the government was abolished. State socialists were actually a derail of the program of dismantling the state, which Marx held to exist purely as an apparatus of class oppression. Lenin himself called his hybrid system (what we now commonly call socialist totalitarianism), "State capitalism" a temporary means on the move towards Marxist socialism/communism (direct democratic governance by workers councils).

Regulatory measures are all well and good under anarchism, as long as those measures have direct democratic controls. The main thing anarchists are opposed to is the effective "rule by decree" that we have in the form of central parliaments (which have fairly nominal democratic controls with little choice) and unelected regulators.

No, no, no.
We had a thread derail about Anarchistic philosophy on one thread for like 20 pages!

...and yet people are still trotting out the same strawmen. Maybe we need an entire thread on anarchist political theory, so we can just link people to it.
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« Reply #4997 on: May 11, 2013, 08:04:39 pm »

Yeah sure, just not here.

(Although it will descend into the depths of flame war hell in hours)
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« Reply #4998 on: May 12, 2013, 04:54:12 am »

Socialism isn't communism. Socialism is the safety net that keeps at least some poor people off the streets. Communism is a good idea that doesn't work in real life.

Also, checks and balances are there to save the weak from the strong. They don't work too well if the people aren't allowed to speak.
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« Reply #4999 on: May 12, 2013, 10:10:20 am »

Communism is a good idea that doesn't work in real life.
Communism is an idea that hasn't been implemented in real life, although the pre-Spanish colonial south-American civilizations got close.

The problem with political systems is that everyone searches for 'the best' system and constantly seeks to enforce it on everyone irregardless of people's differences on an individual and larger scale.
There are broken systems, there are working systems.

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« Reply #5000 on: May 12, 2013, 10:25:05 am »

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although the pre-Spanish colonial south-American civilizations got close.
I'm guessing you mean some specific precolombine south-american civilization, given that the major ones by the time of Columbus' arrival were highly hierarchized expansionist theocracies.

Not that the reaganite mantra has any merit...
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« Reply #5001 on: May 12, 2013, 11:31:11 am »

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although the pre-Spanish colonial south-American civilizations got close.
I'm guessing you mean some specific precolombine south-american civilization, given that the major ones by the time of Columbus' arrival were highly hierarchized expansionist theocracies.

Not that the reaganite mantra has
Human-sacrificing highly hierarchized expansionist theocracies.
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« Reply #5002 on: May 12, 2013, 12:06:59 pm »

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« Reply #5003 on: May 12, 2013, 12:14:19 pm »

I quite like Anarcho-capitalist-libertarian-extremism. Soon you eventually end up with feudal city states with immense power ruling over the owned masses.

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« Reply #5004 on: May 12, 2013, 12:18:44 pm »

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although the pre-Spanish colonial south-American civilizations got close.
I'm guessing you mean some specific precolombine south-american civilization, given that the major ones by the time of Columbus' arrival were highly hierarchized expansionist theocracies.

Not that the reaganite mantra has
Human-sacrificing highly hierarchized expansionist theocracies.
The Spanish found it pretty easy to take over the Mayans and Aztecs because the social structure was extremely close to theirs. Except for all the human-sacrificing etc...
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« Reply #5005 on: May 12, 2013, 12:24:34 pm »

The Spanish found it pretty easy to take over the Mayans and Aztecs because the social structure was extremely close to theirs. Except for all the human-sacrificing etc...
And steel + endemic plagues.

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« Reply #5006 on: May 12, 2013, 01:39:39 pm »

The Spanish found it pretty easy to take over the Mayans and Aztecs because the social structure was extremely close to theirs. Except for all the human-sacrificing etc...
And steel + endemic plagues.
I mean, easy to adapt the government once they conquered them.
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« Reply #5007 on: May 12, 2013, 01:50:48 pm »

I mean, easy to adapt the government once they conquered them.
What was left to conquer? They wiped out all of their civilization.

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« Reply #5008 on: May 12, 2013, 02:07:20 pm »

I mean, easy to adapt the government once they conquered them.
What was left to conquer? They wiped out all of their civilization.
People still lived there. It wasn't like they conquered a democratic republic or whatever.
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« Reply #5009 on: May 12, 2013, 02:23:46 pm »

People still lived there. It wasn't like they conquered a democratic republic or whatever.
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