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Author Topic: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say  (Read 1046704 times)

Montague

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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #2220 on: October 17, 2012, 12:00:57 am »

Oh, hey! Guys, apparently people are running for the borders in Sweden, Germany, France, the U.K., AND CANADA!

Who'da thunk it.

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I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.

Maybe Rush Limbaugh defines these places as being socialist, but none of those countries could be described as socialist countries or even economic systems that could be considered as such.  Mixed-economy or 'welfare state' maybe, certainly not socialism.

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« Reply #2221 on: October 17, 2012, 12:15:32 am »

Oh, hey! Guys, apparently people are running for the borders in Sweden, Germany, France, the U.K., AND CANADA!

Who'da thunk it.

Spoiler: BY THE WAY (click to show/hide)

I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.
CANADA? FUCK CANADA.

LETS NUKE THE SYRUP-CONSUMING MOOSE-MONGERS.


Canada is like France. Surprisingly badass.
No. No its not.


Okay. You're an idiot.

Canada:
-Canadian troops in WW2 were far more feared than Americans or anyone else, by the Germans.
-Canadians also composed one of the smallest groups in the war.
-This means that half as many Canadians made a impression twice as good.

France:
-Fucking. Napoleon.
-Hundred years war.
-WW2, French Resistance.
-They're badass. Very badass. Just they like cheese. And wine.
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Descan

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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #2222 on: October 17, 2012, 12:17:17 am »

No. They're socialist. Everyone thinks of them as socialist. Sweden especially is considered socialist. Universal healthcare, disability welfare, redistributed wealth, higher taxes on the richer fellows, the whole nine yards. The most you could say that they aren't socialist is because not everyone gets a cheque from the government. But I'd consider that the only thing. And even that's not a requirement for socialism.

Again: Socialism =/= Communism.

Socialism =/= Communism.

Socialism =/= Communism.

Socialism =/= Communism.

Socialism =/= Communism.
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« Reply #2223 on: October 17, 2012, 12:18:15 am »

 I think Descan is trying to say that socialism isn't the same as communism.
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« Reply #2224 on: October 17, 2012, 12:19:52 am »

I think Descan is trying to say that socialism isn't the same as communism.
That just means he's a commie-nazi.
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« Reply #2225 on: October 17, 2012, 12:20:51 am »

No, I'm pretty sure he's saying they're exactly the same thing and we should convert Churches to Gulags for the glory of the Working Class.
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« Reply #2226 on: October 17, 2012, 12:20:59 am »

I think Descan is trying to say that socialism isn't the same as communism.
That just means he's a commie-nazi.


Communists hated Nazis. Nazis hated Communists.

Fascism =/= Communism.
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« Reply #2227 on: October 17, 2012, 12:22:12 am »

Heil Stalin, Fuhrer of the Third Soviet State!

We must take the money from the Jews and the homosexuals and give them to the workers of the world!

... Wait, that's what they did. Holy shit.
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« Reply #2228 on: October 17, 2012, 12:23:04 am »

Heil Stalin, Fuhrer of the Third Soviet State!

We must take the money from the Jews and the homosexuals and give them to the workers of the world!

... Wait, that's what they did. Holy shit.

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« Reply #2229 on: October 17, 2012, 12:28:24 am »

I think Descan is trying to say that socialism isn't the same as communism.
That just means he's a commie-nazi.


Communists hated Nazis. Nazis hated Communists.

Fascism =/= Communism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk
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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #2230 on: October 17, 2012, 12:29:30 am »

Oh, hey! Guys, apparently people are running for the borders in Sweden, Germany, France, the U.K., AND CANADA!

Who'da thunk it.

Spoiler: BY THE WAY (click to show/hide)

I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.
CANADA? FUCK CANADA.

LETS NUKE THE SYRUP-CONSUMING MOOSE-MONGERS.


Canada is like France. Surprisingly badass.
No. No its not.


Okay. You're an idiot.

Canada:
-Canadian troops in WW2 were far more feared than Americans or anyone else, by the Germans.
-Canadians also composed one of the smallest groups in the war.
-This means that half as many Canadians made a impression twice as good.

France:
-Fucking. Napoleon.
-Hundred years war.
-WW2, French Resistance.
-They're badass. Very badass. Just they like cheese. And wine.
Napolean was very similar to hitler, in strategy and in methods. Except for the Genocide. Oh wait no, did that too.

Counter-arguement:
Yugoslavia:
Only country to self-liberate during WW2
The Mother Fucking PARTISANS BITCH. DON"T MESS WITH THE PARTISANS. They be out, traveling the mountains at night waiting, getting stronger tambien. and this wasn't a ARAYN nation like France oh no, where hitler used BASIC HUMAN RESTRAINT.
-Code-name for invasion of Yugoslavia: Operation Punishment. Why? Because they deposed the king when he supported Nazism. Did the french do that? I THINK NOT.
-Total Losses, 1 million. FUCK THE CANADIANS AND FRENCH.
-Not only that, but they also had to deal with Loyalist backstabber anti-resistance.

Canadas grand contribution to the war was hiding the Dutch royal family.

And lets not get STARTED on the other slavic countries.

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Montague

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« Reply #2231 on: October 17, 2012, 12:30:21 am »

No. They're socialist. Everyone thinks of them as socialist. Sweden especially is considered socialist. Universal healthcare, disability welfare, redistributed wealth, higher taxes on the richer fellows, the whole nine yards. The most you could say that they aren't socialist is because not everyone gets a cheque from the government. But I'd consider that the only thing. And even that's not a requirement for socialism.

A quick google search could probably clarify your confusion over what socialism is or if it applies to any of these states, even Sweden. They might have a 'socialist party' in their parliament, but that doesn't make the state a socialist state with socialist public policy.

Anyways, the original question was why some people don't like socialism and I thought I made that clear. They don't like systems like Sweden has either. Same general idea though, some people reject the morality of having the money they earned forcibly taken by law, for no benefit to themselves and given to somebody that didn't earn for dubious reasons.

So it goes back to personal accountability and individual rights and responsibility vs involuntary obligations and duties.

Also, there isn't much difference in a fundamental sense, between Nazi Socialism and regular commie/socialism. Vietnam invaded Cambodia and China hated the Soviets and Leninists hated Stalinists, Trotskities hated Leninists too. Mensheviks hated Bolsheviks.

Just because they hate each other doesn't make them dissimilar. Same basic ideas form the basis for their ideologies, same as with Nazis and Commies.
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« Reply #2232 on: October 17, 2012, 12:31:41 am »

Just because they hate each other doesn't make them dissimilar. Same basic ideas form the basis for their ideologies, same as with Nazis and Commies.
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« Reply #2233 on: October 17, 2012, 12:41:25 am »

Oh, hey! Guys, apparently people are running for the borders in Sweden, Germany, France, the U.K., AND CANADA!

Who'da thunk it.

Spoiler: BY THE WAY (click to show/hide)

I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.
CANADA? FUCK CANADA.

LETS NUKE THE SYRUP-CONSUMING MOOSE-MONGERS.


Canada is like France. Surprisingly badass.
No. No its not.


Okay. You're an idiot.

Canada:
-Canadian troops in WW2 were far more feared than Americans or anyone else, by the Germans.
-Canadians also composed one of the smallest groups in the war.
-This means that half as many Canadians made a impression twice as good.

France:
-Fucking. Napoleon.
-Hundred years war.
-WW2, French Resistance.
-They're badass. Very badass. Just they like cheese. And wine.
Napolean was very similar to hitler, in strategy and in methods. Except for the Genocide. Oh wait no, did that too.

Counter-arguement:
Yugoslavia:
Only country to self-liberate during WW2
The Mother Fucking PARTISANS BITCH. DON"T MESS WITH THE PARTISANS. They be out, traveling the mountains at night waiting, getting stronger tambien. and this wasn't a ARAYN nation like France oh no, where hitler used BASIC HUMAN RESTRAINT.
-Code-name for invasion of Yugoslavia: Operation Punishment. Why? Because they deposed the king when he supported Nazism. Did the french do that? I THINK NOT.
-Total Losses, 1 million. FUCK THE CANADIANS AND FRENCH.
-Not only that, but they also had to deal with Loyalist backstabber anti-resistance.

Canadas grand contribution to the war was hiding the Dutch royal family.

And lets not get STARTED on the other slavic countries.


Oh, sigh. You know having more losses than the other team isn't a good thing, right?
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Reelya

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« Reply #2234 on: October 17, 2012, 12:42:22 am »

Because Socialism is the idea a person's life and their work do not belong to them, but belong to society, thus it's antithetical to the idea that a person has the right to exist for their own sake and their own actions belong to them.

Also I imagine because Socialism hasn't worked out very well historically. It's purpose was 'the abolition of poverty, the achievement of general prosperity, progress and peace' and in practice it accomplished quite the opposite.

It'll work better next time, surely, if we all just believe hard enough.

This is nowhere near a correct reading of what socialism is about. The ideal in Marxist socialism is a stateless federation of cooperative councils with voluntary membership and direct democratic decision making at the local level.
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