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[Owlbread]

Owlbread, I'm not attacking you, it's just that argument in and of itself is... eh...

I eat meat. I do have respect for vegetarians, though.

Gentlemen please, you don't need to tiptoe around me by saying stuff like that. Attack me for god's sake, if I'm going to be choosing whether or not to eat meat I'd like my argument to be as sound as possible, and that improvement can only come through challenge.

[GlyphGryph]

Please don't, I'd much rather you went all out. This issue is one that I've often struggled to get my head around so it's very helpful if you can robustly challenge my views. If that means completely trashing me, chances are I need trashed. The main problem that I can see is that similar arguments can be made to justify things like being a murderer in a world of murderers. I just have this strong feeling inside though that we'll have stopped killing each-other before we stop slaughtering animals.

The issue is that this really, really isn't the thread for it. If you want to start a new thread for it we can discuss it there.

[LordSlowpoke]

Attack me for god's sake

your mother was a hamster and your father smelted elderberries can't quote monty python completely now can we, the real one's far too overused

[Owlbread]

The issue is that this really, really isn't the thread for it. If you want to start a new thread for it we can discuss it there.

I would but I have a feeling things could get ugly if the debate extends beyond our small group. I recommend that you PM me.

[Helgoland]

Owlbread, I'm not attacking you, it's just that argument in and of itself is... eh...

I eat meat. I do have respect for vegetarians, though.

Gentlemen please, you don't need to tiptoe around me by saying stuff like that. Attack me for god's sake, if I'm going to be choosing whether or not to eat meat I'd like my argument to be as sound as possible, and that improvement can only come through challenge.

[Southern hick accent]Aw hell no![/Southern hick accent]
Meat vs Veggie will just quickly degenerate into stating positions without caring to argue. Can't we do the political side?

[Owlbread]

That is my fear also. As I have said, I request that Greatorder and GlyphGryph send me PMs in which they systematically destroy the argument, allowing me to put it together again in a stronger form.

[Southern hick accent]Aw hell no![/Southern hick accent]
Meat vs Veggie will just quickly degenerate into stating positions without caring to argue. Can't we do the political side?

The political side is vastly preferable. My issue is that there are very few political parties or organizations that I would feel comfortable in supporting on this issue. PETA have the highest profile but they're daft as a brush.

[Darvi]

and your father smelted elderberries can't quote monty python completely now can we, the real one's far too overused

I didn't know that fruitbars were made that way.

[scrdest]

and your father smelted elderberries can't quote monty python completely now can we, the real one's far too overused

I didn't know that fruitbars were made that way.

I think it was 'smelled of'. Unless that's on purpose.

[Frumple]

Smelt of, yes. Yes, that is (at least one of) the past tense forms of smell. Smelled works, too, but I personally prefer smelt. It's a sharp, clean, word.

[Owlbread]

Thing is, I'm not. If I did, I'd be a little hypocritical, wouldn't I?

I eat meat. If I complained about YOU doing so...

You'd be challenging my argument, it's not necessarily about your opinions.

[scrdest]

Smelt of, yes. Yes, that is (at least one of) the past tense forms of smell. Smelled works, too, but I personally prefer smelt. It's a sharp, clean, word.

I dislike 'smelt' because it introduces ambiguity. When you say 'he smelt elderberries' I imagine the guy taking large shovelfuls of berries and throwing them into a furnace to smelt the, uh, elderberrite, out of them.

[Frumple]

This is english. Ambiguity is half the fun.

Smelt is also a fish! A smelt elderberry might be interesting. Maybe a smelt elderberry malt? That might just kill someone, hoho.

[Owlbread]

I tend to prefer burnt to burned.

[Flying Dice]

Ambiguity is a wonderful thing in a language because it opens the doors for all sorts of punnery.

[scrdest]

I tend to prefer burnt to burned.

Funny now that I think of it, I use both, for different things.

'Burnt' is like an overcooked, partially carbonized toast, incomplete oxidation, 'burned' is either a person who touched a hot frying pan (i.e. a temperature-inflicted wound), or something that is completely gone due to a fire, i.e. a house, a person in said house or charcoal in the furnace.