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[HraTaika]

Untill now I've been 'attached' to my dwarves whenever I play, meaning that I make my outmost in order to protect all of them, from the children to the grippled to those totally 'trash' dwarves.

I've been wondering now that I've hit the pop cap of 90.. that there are a lot of no doers in the fort, which have so poor stats that they aren't really suited for anything at all - nor do they have any skills that are valuable - or atleast skilled in something..

.. which kinda leads me to think about getting rid of the unwanted folk in order to clear more room for more quality immigrants.

.. which makes me feel a bad person

So I was wondering, do you guys have similar concerns as to these feelings, seeing that they are only ASCII letters..

[zeziba]

Pump operators en-mass == Military Dwarf!

Set them to operate pumps for a season or two and you will see them get super good strength stats, then recruit them and put a spear or sword in their hands and you have a good militia.

[Loud Whispers]

Dwarves are like cats, they're acceptable to !!SCIENCE!! with, but once you give them a name they're invaluable.

[zeziba]

Dwarves are like cats, they're acceptable to !!SCIENCE!! with, but once you give them a name they're invaluable.

Yea! Chain the little blighters outside w/ some food and "water" and let the !!SCIENCE!! begin!

[PainRack]

Are the dwarven pump operators= military training still true? I thought that most civilian jobs now don't train physical attributes

[HraTaika]

Are the dwarven pump operators= military training still true?

To my understanding this is not true.

[zeziba]

Are the dwarven pump operators= military training still true?

To my understanding this is not true.

It increases their strength which equals military! Doesn't matter how smart or slow they are if they can smash things to bits and if you have 10 of them in a squad it's not bad for fodder. Also last time I checked(34.11) they still gain str xp. Just takes a good long while.

EDIT: To test this quickly just boost the xp rates and send them to work. You will notice it does in fact increase their strength and stamina, or maybe just the endurance... BRB!

[geail]

I suggest creating a doctor training ground.  dig a hole 3-4 z down.  put bridge over said hole.  make burrow over bridge.  link lever to bridge.  assign useless dwarves to burrow.  pull the lever.  some may die, those that live in a horribly crippled manner become useful to the long-term functioning of your fort

[Aviator CJ]

I suggest creating a doctor training ground.  dig a hole 3-4 z down.  put bridge over said hole.  make burrow over bridge.  link lever to bridge.  assign useless dwarves to burrow.  pull the lever.  some may die, those that live in a horribly crippled manner become useful to the long-term functioning of your fort

And the survivors would also be used to tragedy and thus less likely to tantrum. Win-win!

[malimbar04]

I suggest creating a doctor training ground.  dig a hole 3-4 z down.  put bridge over said hole.  make burrow over bridge.  link lever to bridge.  assign useless dwarves to burrow.  pull the lever.  some may die, those that live in a horribly crippled manner become useful to the long-term functioning of your fort

3-4 might not do it anymore with the new gravity system. i suggest a controlled stabbing with a spear trap connected to a lever.

[King DZA]

Of course I feel bad when a dwarf dies, that's one less person for me to rule over.

[Sutremaine]

It increases their strength which equals military!

Not by much...

You'd be better off just letting them spar in their clothes, with a few light bits of armour to raise their Armour User skill (gauntlets, boots, a helm... not body or leg armour, that stuff will slow down an unskilled dwarf). Endurance is the only stat raised a significant amount by pumping, and it only comes into play when wrestling. Raising base speed and reducing armour penalties is more important (as are the combat skills you were working towards gaining anyway), so get a setup that keeps them in the barracks as often as possible and leave them to it.

[Callista]

Don't you always need haulers and janitors? That's what my "useless" dwarves end up doing.

Regarding their stats and the military, though, even dwarves with bad stats tend to toughen up after a while in the military.