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[Neonivek]

Ok here is one

Are the guns for show?

Ok so this is a nitpick that has ruined more then just movies but TV shows as well... But here is my most recent horrible encounter for it.

I was watching Dr. Who dreamlands and in it several army men carry machine guns, pistols, and what have you and point it at out hero quite a bit.

Yet in spite of the fact that they have plenty of opportunity to shoot someone they never do! Seriously I'd rather enemies have HORRIBLE aim then never shoot.

I still remember in Batman the animated series where Batman stands perfectly still while shot at by a tommygun less then 30 feet away and still doesn't get a single bullet for his trouble... Yet I'd take that over "Don't move or we will shoot! uhhh ok, well uhhh stop or we will shoot! please... pretty please!"

[scriver]

Are the guns for show?

Well they are prop guns...

[Neonivek]

Are the guns for show?

Well they are prop guns...

 

Believe it or not, whenever I see it I like to say "Bang... bang... bang" over and over again until the opportunity to shoot passes.

[Rolan7]

Or imagine the Shia Labeouf motivational speech playing!
For people who haven't seen (warning, very loud) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

[Sergius]

Speaking of Dr. Who.

In that Into the Dalek episode, humankind is at (unwinnable?) war against Daleks. Their guns are completely ineffective against them, don't even slow them down.

They shoot at Daleks with said guns. Lose soldiers. Shoot them some more. Close doors behind them (the doors at least do something for a bit). Then they wait for them to shoot at them. Then close some more doors to live for 5 more minutes.

Seriously, just make spaceships that are completely made of doors and just go away, seriously. Don't even bother shooting, dude.

[Culise]

First stairs, and now doors.  What will those wacky writers think of next?
^{And yes, I know new-Daleks have "ELEVATE!" I haven't actually watched much nu-Who, but I have heard a few things here and there. ^_^}

[Sinistar]

Speaking of Dalek-ineffective guns, don't you sometimes hate it when in movies/series/whatever there's this situation where either good or bad guys are pitted against obviously over-powering enemy, the one that shrugs off both their best troops and strongest weapons... YET said good/bad guys INSIST on using conventional, head-on, fire-everything-you've-got tactics despite all of that?

Can't remember any actual example, but I'm sure someone could come up with something. I mean, it is a standard practice, throwing mooks and filling screen-time with filler, but that doesn't mean it doesn't get tiresome. Sometimes.

[Starver]

Speaking of Dalek-ineffective guns, don't you sometimes hate it when in movies/series/whatever there's this situation where either good or bad guys are pitted against obviously over-powering enemy, the one that shrugs off both their best troops and strongest weapons... YET said good/bad guys INSIST on using conventional, head-on, fire-everything-you've-got tactics despite all of that?

Can't remember any actual example, but I'm sure someone could come up with something. I mean, it is a standard practice, throwing mooks and filling screen-time with filler, but that doesn't mean it doesn't get tiresome. Sometimes.

Not to excuse sloppy plot progression/universe mechanics, but:
a) When the cards are down and the xenomorphs are slavering on your face, you'd throw rotten tomatoes at the things, if that was the only thing you had with reach... well, unless you're a rip-your-shirt, stand-your-ground, shout-Come-On-Then-You-Motherflipping-Extragalactic-Bioweapon!!!! type of person, in which case you stand there and let it eat/dissolve/vaporise/infect you, probably in order to save some women and children (and corrupt corporate executives) you were escorting, but also (because you'd already proven to be practically the most unkillable veteran soldier, before this) also to evoke the Worf Effect.

b) It's amazing how many invulnerable-to-plasma-weapons enemies, there are in fiction, who have wiped the deckplates with the hi-tech exoskeletal plasma-weapons orbital SWAT-squad, but end up to not have anticipated the need to protect against kinetic 'slug-thrower' weapons.

Item 'b' isn't necessarily true to any particular situation, but you can bet your bottom dollar that this particular team of SEALIONs (SEa, Air, Land, Interplanetary and Orbital, Natch) will have seen this kind of movie (as fiction within their own reality) and revert to the type 'a', above.  If it works, they're Dangerously Trope Savvy, and if not then they're dangerously trope-fodder. Either way, often the Force Of Plot is strong.

[Sinistar]

Oh, I don't mind the last stand type of things. And I would agree with both a and b point presented, they are quite plausible.

But I'm talking more about how sometimes instead of displaying some tactical sense, falling back, re-grouping and re-thinking the approach, you get something completely the opposite, and from someone who's supposed to be a trained professional. But again, it would make more sense if I could present some actual example.

[Bumber]

Speaking of Dr. Who.

In that Into the Dalek episode, humankind is at (unwinnable?) war against Daleks. Their guns are completely ineffective against them, don't even slow them down.

They shoot at Daleks with said guns. Lose soldiers. Shoot them some more. Close doors behind them (the doors at least do something for a bit). Then they wait for them to shoot at them. Then close some more doors to live for 5 more minutes.

Seriously, just make spaceships that are completely made of doors and just go away, seriously. Don't even bother shooting, dude.

The Dalek has to stop to kill them. I question if maybe they could run circles around it instead.

[Neonivek]

Speaking of Dalek-ineffective guns, don't you sometimes hate it when in movies/series/whatever there's this situation where either good or bad guys are pitted against obviously over-powering enemy, the one that shrugs off both their best troops and strongest weapons... YET said good/bad guys INSIST on using conventional, head-on, fire-everything-you've-got tactics despite all of that?

Can't remember any actual example, but I'm sure someone could come up with something. I mean, it is a standard practice, throwing mooks and filling screen-time with filler, but that doesn't mean it doesn't get tiresome. Sometimes.

Last Remnant had exactly this... except it was actually an awesome scene.

Especially since:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The person fighting the unstoppable evil villain actually managed to almost kill him and ONLY lost because he had super human strength. It was a pretty amazing fight... too bad the game focuses on the worst character in the game.

[Culise]

Oh, I don't mind the last stand type of things. And I would agree with both a and b point presented, they are quite plausible.

But I'm talking more about how sometimes instead of displaying some tactical sense, falling back, re-grouping and re-thinking the approach, you get something completely the opposite, and from someone who's supposed to be a trained professional. But again, it would make more sense if I could present some actual example.

Your passing comment just got me lost for the last hour on TV Tropes, looking for stuff to back you up.  The more gratuitous examples of that tend to bother me a bit, as well.

[Akura]

Can't remember any actual example, but I'm sure someone could come up with something.

If you want to go with a horrid piece of crap that I somehow managed to enjoy, Battlefield Earth had that. Then again, the sheer improbability of such weapons working after 1000 years in a not-environmentally-controlled bunker, weapons that include Harriers and nuclear bombs, means you probably shouldn't think about it.

[LordBaal]

After Earth... the mind boggling stupidity of overcomplicated solutions piling all over.

One advice to future humans, ranged weapons where invented for a very good and valid reason. No amount of training and fancy gadget multiple swords can compensate for the use of ranged weapons when they apply. For example against gigantic blind monsters you can see and score good shoots coming from a mile away.

And for the mysterious aliens, next time you want to exterminate another race don't do it like the fuckwit lazy way of simply releasing wild animals on their planets. Weapons are far more effective. And if you choose the stupid way of animal bio-weapons designed with bioengineering, don't be so cheap to not include a at least a pair of decent photon receptors in there, I bet it wouldn't add up so much in the bill.

[Neonivek]

Well the Dune Novels had an excuse. personal forcefield technology outstripped weapon technology. So now everyone was back to using swords.