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Where should we put a base? (Pick your Top Two answers)

This is stupid, let's not colonize space.
Luna (aka the moon)
Mars
Venus
Asteroid base
Titan
Europa
Multiple bases
Base on a large asteroid
Mercury

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Colonizing Other Worlds: A Poll
« on: July 26, 2012, 01:55:27 pm »

As noted here, we probably have enough Bay12ers to start a colony on a nearby planet. This derailed the topic into discussions of the best ways to make the colony. Currently, the big debate is where to PUT it. The three bug contenders seem to be:

MARS--A popular suggestion, since it's a terraformable planet fairly nearby (also, Olympus Mons). Sadly, there are some other issues to consider.
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LUNA--One of my ideas. It would be a good place to launch attacks on Earth from (did I mention we were planning to conquer Earth?), and fairly nearby. Oh, and there's precedent.
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ASTEROIDAL SPACE STATION--Another of my cleverer ideas, albeit a weaker one. Basically, we build a big ISS and send it to the Asteroid Belt.
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OTHER OPTIONS:
--Venusian colony. Nigh-impossible, unless we made an algae or something that can survive on Venus and terraform it, and then build a floating platform. More issues detailed here, notably the lack of a magnetic field requiring alternate radiation shielding. Hypothetically, terraforming could be done in "only" 150 years, but since most solutions involve living deep underground for protection and often magma access, this may be moot.
--Colonies on a gas-giant's moon. They're even more remote than the Asteroid belt, but lack the invisibility benefit. They'd also require terraforming to be much better than our own moon, except possibly for Europa. They might or might not be shielded by their planet's magnetic field, but either way distance might protect us from the Sun.
--Multiple colonies. On one hand, we'd be able to survive if one colony was destroyed, and we could harness the strengths of all. On the other hand, communication can easily take hours across interplanetary distances, and the male:female ratio is shaky enough as it is.

--Colonies ON a large asteroid: All of the problems with the moon related to size amplified. It's also FAR away, meaning less solar power and no realistic military action without sending spaceships to attack Earth.
--Mercurial Colony. Someone suggested I add it "for completeness." Hottest temperatures of pretty much any non-Venusian world, no atmosphere, and screwed-up day/night cycles.




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Please inform me if there are any important points or options I missed above.
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Re: Colonizing Other Worlds: A Poll
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2012, 01:56:56 pm »

Also, if Mars were to be populated, the Mars regulator would stage a coup and try to take over the Earth, and by extension, the Galaxy.
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Re: Colonizing Other Worlds: A Poll
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2012, 01:59:46 pm »

Silly me, I was expecting a poll option.

If we're just doing a verbal poll, then put me down for asteroid. And no building a station and towing it all the way there...that's wasteful. Pick one of the larger ones (Ceres, Pallas, Vesta) and mine out the space. Sure, we'll be stuck with microgravity but overall it'll be easier to make habitable than Luna or even Mars.
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Re: Colonizing Other Worlds: A Poll
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2012, 02:00:56 pm »

Isn't there evidence that Luna will leave Earth's orbit in a few hundred years?


There is also the risk of Dwarf Fortress like creatures living beneath Mars's surface, but that is both a pro and con.
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Re: Colonizing Other Worlds: A Poll
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2012, 02:02:22 pm »

.......?  ???

No, and no.
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Re: Colonizing Other Worlds: A Poll
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2012, 02:04:01 pm »

Silly me, I was expecting a poll option.
I'm working on it, I didn't expect replies this fast!

EDIT: Done, and you can pick two options BTW. And change your vote, I'm nice that way.

Isn't there evidence that Luna will leave Earth's orbit in a few hundred years?


There is also the risk of Dwarf Fortress like creatures living beneath Mars's surface, but that is both a pro and con.
Maybe in a few BILLION, but not HUNDRED.
Also, no macroscopic life on Mars.
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Re: Colonizing Other Worlds: A Poll
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2012, 02:07:06 pm »

Europa or Enceladus. Lots of water ice, (so therefore plenty of oxygen for breathing, hydrogen for burning as fuel/using in fusion, and drinking fluids), and tectonically active thanks to gravitational flexing of Jupiter and Saturn respectivley which means a nice warm subsurface layers possibly useful for geothermal energy. Probably even liquid water oceans beneath the icy crusts and hence the outside chance of organic type stuff going on. So, to summarise, something to breathe, fuel, something to drink, an alternative energy source, and alien fish. Oh, and the gas giants tend to hoover up any dangerous looking asteroids/comets.

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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2012, 02:09:13 pm »

Silly me, I was expecting a poll option.
I'm working on it, I didn't expect replies this fast!

EDIT: Done, and you can pick two options BTW. And change your vote, I'm nice that way.

Isn't there evidence that Luna will leave Earth's orbit in a few hundred years?


There is also the risk of Dwarf Fortress like creatures living beneath Mars's surface, but that is both a pro and con.
Maybe in a few BILLION, but not HUNDRED.
Also, no macroscopic life on Mars.

We can dream, we can dream. Caves have potential, the chance is very small but still there. Probably small life, but still.
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Re: Colonizing Other Worlds: A Poll
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2012, 02:10:11 pm »

Europa or Enceladus. Lots of water ice, (so therefore plenty of oxygen for breathing, hydrogen for burning as fuel/using in fusion, and drinking fluids), and tectonically active thanks to gravitational flexing of Jupiter and Saturn respectivley which means a nice warm subsurface layers possibly useful for geothermal energy. Probably even liquid water oceans beneath the icy crusts and hence the outside chance of organic type stuff going on. So, to summarise, something to breathe, fuel, something to drink, an alternative energy source, and alien fish. Oh, and the gas giants tend to hoover up any dangerous looking asteroids/comets.

Can I be president yet?
Vote up-top, please, and Toady gets dibs on presidency.
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Re: Colonizing Other Worlds: A Poll
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2012, 02:10:22 pm »

Europa or Enceladus. Lots of water ice, (so therefore plenty of oxygen for breathing, hydrogen for burning as fuel/using in fusion, and drinking fluids), and tectonically active thanks to gravitational flexing of Jupiter and Saturn respectivley which means a nice warm subsurface layers possibly useful for geothermal energy. Probably even liquid water oceans beneath the icy crusts and hence the outside chance of organic type stuff going on. So, to summarise, something to breathe, fuel, something to drink, an alternative energy source, and alien fish. Oh, and the gas giants tend to hoover up any dangerous looking asteroids/comets.

Can I be president yet?

They're also like -160 Celsius. At noon. In the summer.
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Re: Colonizing Other Worlds: A Poll
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2012, 02:10:37 pm »

Asteroids as a starter base before moving on towards the more juicy water ice targets around the gas giants.
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Re: Colonizing Other Worlds: A Poll
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2012, 02:12:39 pm »

Europa or Enceladus. Lots of water ice, (so therefore plenty of oxygen for breathing, hydrogen for burning as fuel/using in fusion, and drinking fluids), and tectonically active thanks to gravitational flexing of Jupiter and Saturn respectivley which means a nice warm subsurface layers possibly useful for geothermal energy. Probably even liquid water oceans beneath the icy crusts and hence the outside chance of organic type stuff going on. So, to summarise, something to breathe, fuel, something to drink, an alternative energy source, and alien fish. Oh, and the gas giants tend to hoover up any dangerous looking asteroids/comets.

Can I be president yet?

They're also like -160 Celsius. At noon. In the summer.

Ah, too cold is easy - assuming we had the technology to get there through deep space. Its not as if any structures would melt, like on Venus or Mercury.

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2012, 02:31:05 pm »

Alright, this is very interesting, but I'd like to put a stop, or at least a detour, on it.

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Re: Colonizing Other Worlds: A Poll
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2012, 02:33:05 pm »

As noted here, we probably have enough Bay12ers to start a colony on a nearby planet. This derailed the topic into discussions of the best ways to make the colony. Currently, the big debate is where to PUT it. The three bug contenders seem to be:

MARS--A popular suggestion, since it's a terraformableYeah right. The Nasa has a plan for this, called the 1500 year plan. It requires enormous resources and technology.(Basically we should have colonized the rest of the solar system before even attempting it. Also, it won't be stable. Mars would revert in 125-500 years) planet fairly nearby (also, Olympus Mons). Sadly, there are some other issues to consider.
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LUNA--One of my ideas. It would be a good place to launch attacks on Earth from (did I mention we were planning to conquer Earth?), and fairly nearby. Oh, and there's precedent.
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ASTEROIDAL SPACE STATION--Another of my cleverer ideas, albeit a weaker one. Basically, we build a big ISS and send it to the Asteroid Belt.
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OTHER OPTIONS:
--Venusian colony. Nigh-impossible, unless we made an algae or something that can survive on Venus and terraform it, and then build a floating platform. More issues detailed here, notably the lack of a magnetic field requiring alternate radiation shielding.Actually, Venus has been studied in theoretical terraforming projects, and has been deemed more usefull for large scale human population than Mars. This is because the Venusian terraforming project would take 150 years with near to none imput, while mars takes 1500 years with massive investements
--Colonies on a gas-giant's moon. They're even more remote than the Asteroid belt, but lack the invisibility benefit. They'd also require terraforming to be much better than our own moon, except possibly for Europa. They might or might not be shielded by their planet's magnetic field, but either way distance might protect us At that distance they'd have to send a sattelite before they'd notice anything, or we'd have to be sending radio signals or something stupid..
--Multiple colonies. On one hand, we'd be able to survive if one colony was destroyed, and we could harness the strengths of all. On the other hand, communication can easily take hours across interplanetary distances, and the male:female ratio is shaky enough as it is.

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Please inform me if there are any important points or options I missed above.

Besides, I think we need to include Mercury for completeness. High temperatures, constant flare bombardement. (it has a magnetic field, but that's not strong enough), and the weirdest day night cycle imaginable (I mean, due to the fact that a mercurian year is shorter then a day,  a day looks like this.
Sun rises, and over many days climbs untill it's noon. Then it turns back and goes under, before rising again and completing the day in the correct direction)

Alright, this is very interesting, but I'd like to put a stop, or at least a detour, on it.

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Re: Colonizing Other Worlds: A Poll
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2012, 02:35:44 pm »

So I'm voting Europa. DONE!
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