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Has the addition of Minecarts changed the game for the better?

Yes, Minecarts have improved the game.
No, Minecarts have made the game worse off.
Maybe, Minecarts just need to be improved first.
Remove Minecarts from the game, there is no way it can be improved.

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mnjiman

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I am wondering how Minecarts have changed Dwarf Fortress, and whether or not it has been a good addition to the game or a bad addition.
I have me own opinions, but I am wondering what the community thinks as a whole.

If Minecarts have been a blessing to the game, how has it made better?

If Minecarts have been making the game worse worse, how can they be improved?
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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2012, 04:52:36 pm »

Minecarts are simply another tool in the already vast arsenal of the Fortress Overseer. They can be used for good !!FUN!! by a competent overseer. Or they can be used for !!evil!! by a not so competent Overseer.

To put it bluntly, they are very dwarfy. Case in point: Dwarven Autoshotgun. Magma filled minecart. Flying minecarts.

Minecart track laying could be streamlined a bit more, IMO. It's a little complicated trying to keep track of whether you need a N track here, or a S track, or whether you should use a NS track. But other than that, they are awesome.
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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2012, 04:59:51 pm »

Minecart track laying could be streamlined a bit more, IMO. It's a little complicated trying to keep track of whether you need a N track here, or a S track, or whether you should use a NS track. But other than that, they are awesome.

It would be nice if there was an additional generic track tile that would make connections similarly to how the game connects constructed/smoothed wall tiles. Fine-tuning could be done with the track pieces we have now.
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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2012, 05:09:06 pm »

They could use a lot of refinement and could certainly stand to be more intuitive to set up, but I think they're a good thing which will get better with updates.
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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2012, 05:18:09 pm »

there is no requirement to use them and their non-use does not detract from gameplay, so more available options in a complex simulation game would make things better I say.

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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2012, 05:31:43 pm »

If I were more creative I would use them to death as of now I use them for fancy trash cans.
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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 06:25:35 pm »

I think that it is ironic to hear DF players say that a new addition to the game is "bad" or generally negative because it is complicated and made the game marginaly harder.

The minecarts are great for those who can be arsed to use them, but not vital or important enough to cripple those who don't.
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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 06:29:23 pm »

You Can do fine without them, as eveyrone who has ever played a prior version can tell you. You can have great !!fun!! with them, so they are very dorfish. Therefore, keep.
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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2012, 06:37:14 pm »

I actually never use them for anything. I haven't found a good use for them yet, but I do want to make a DAS soon. I just have to figure out the designations and all that jazz.
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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 06:37:37 pm »

I've really struggled to put them to use, it's just so much easier to have an efficient fort layout and lots of wheelbarrows instead.

I like the concept of mine carts, just not sold on how useful they are before a fort dies to the FPS monster anyway.
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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2012, 07:53:28 pm »

I don't know about you guys, but one should never take out a part of the game just because you don't like it. As for me My curent project is to set up a system of bringing the huge amount of flux, magnatite, lignite, bitinoumous coal, and valuable gems away from the mine, and towards the surface metalsmithers. If that succeds, I will consider a expansion to include the magma and deeper mines.
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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 08:42:41 pm »

I'm inexperienced in the newest version, so forgive this question. How are minecarts currently more useful than wheelbarrows? Or are they just toys for experienced players to use to do crazy stuff?
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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 08:56:03 pm »

They have 5 times more storage then minecarts. which over a while is a lot faster. They are more difficult to use, but if automated they are incredibly fast, and if not they are really big and faster on-rails versions of wheelbarrows.
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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2012, 09:11:16 pm »

Minecart track laying could be streamlined a bit more, IMO. It's a little complicated trying to keep track of whether you need a N track here, or a S track, or whether you should use a NS track. But other than that, they are awesome.

Is there a guide for that anywhere yet? I suspect I'm building my ramps in the wrong direction, but trying opposite directions doesn't work any better.

I like minecarts, even though I can't make them work for beans and they tend to murder more dwarves than sieges do now.
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Re: [Poll] Minecarts: Have they changed the game for the better?
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 09:18:34 pm »

The only problem is that dwarves are idiots with minecarts, and that can be mostly averted with some cleverness. Or not using minecarts. Overall, there's not really any downside, and a thousand or more uses that make up for that and then some a thousand times over if you're dwarfy enough.
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