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[Teneb]

Jim: My final case on Hapah was that he had voted on borno/wsoxfan while saying he thought he was town, kept accusing me of being scum simply because that I didn't ask for extend the first time D2 was about to end and because of the tone of my posts. To me it seemed he just wanted me dead while having no evidence to justify it.

Jim, why did you keep your vote on wsoxfan after he replaced borno?

Geen: Both BMC and Jim already said it, but where are the answers you promised? And what was this (3 quotes below), a scum claim?

Oh! I see, this is different from what I'm used to. in the version I played, all scum would know who the other scum are.

Sorry for a double post. Re-read a bit, then thought about more recent stuff. Still no quotes for now.
Hapah: Why the hell are you attempting to protect me? Are you trying to make it look like we're buddying up? This is mafia, one of us is going to backstab and get the other lynched or nightkilled. I'm not going to be on the receiving end, which I'm suspecting you want me to be on.Unvote.

Geen: Please clarify the bolded part.

How can you backstab someone if you don't know they are in your team? Only scum know their team. And only scum can night kill (in BMs).
Wait, so scum DO know their team? Ah, then disregard my previous post. I was thinking more just nightkill your 'buddy' if any accusations of buddying up appear.


Do all BMs have this much lurking in D2? Because the last BM (my first) was also like that.

Oh god I fudged that so hard.

As I asked in the quote, clarify the bolded parts. And why did you say you fudged up? Because you slipped? It sure looks like it.
And why did you keep voting people, promising to say the reasons and never saying them?


BMC and Boltur: What are your top scumpicks now and why?

[blackmagechill]

BMC: What are your top scumpicks now and why?

I'd say Geen is at number one because of his refusal to answer questions and that quote that looks a lot like he has an NK. If he'd answer some questions, I think that could shift, but, he's got quite a bit he has to answer to.

For Number two, I'd probably say you because you haven't told me why you are okay with a Nolynch at all. How much information does the town get from nolynch? None, that's how much. I agree with your caution about hapah and his lynch blood thirst, but how would a nolynch improve the situation? So you can read the NK to implicate someone? That sounds like you're trying to start Night Based WIFOM for people to fret over.

And for the third, it's a tie between boltur and Jim. I feel like boltur's lurkyness could be the result of lazy townie syndrome or because nobody else was posting, so then he didn't post and it sort of spiraled like that with everybody for a little while. I only say that Jim could be scum because it's weird that an IC would be alive this late in the game.

[Geen]

I'm not refusing! Everything I've been asked I answered! Also, I fudged BECAUSE I WROTE MY MESSAGE IN SOMONE ELSE'S QUOTE. Somehow.

[Teneb]

I'm not refusing! Everything I've been asked I answered! Also, I fudged BECAUSE I WROTE MY MESSAGE IN SOMONE ELSE'S QUOTE. Somehow.

There are so many questions you have yet to answer that I could do a wall of text just by quoting them. Also, a quick examintion proves that the post from me you quoted is completely un-modified.

[Teneb]

Spoiler: Wall of text (click to show/hide)

Geen: Since I have too much time, here are all the questions asked at you:

Geen: Again, welcome to the thread. After reading through, does anything strike you as particularly suspicious? Why? Also, have you played any games of Mafia before?

Outdated by now, but here anyway.

Hmm... I agree, Deathsword feels a bit scummy to me...

Geen: Why?

You gave a very vague answer to this one (and I assume it was to this one, since you didn't even say to whom you were replying to) followed by WIFOM.

Geen: After flipping through the whole day, who do you think looks the scummiest, or at least the person who's jumping pretty hard on bandwagons? And where are those answers you promised? Toaster's number one right here.

Geen: Get your game together and tell us who you think is scum.

Geen: Do you mind giving actual reasons on your vote on borno? And you mind answering all the questions asked at you?

Both are pretty much the same question.

Then you said this:

Bah! Sorry if I suck at this, I'm used to just relying on seeing through bluffs. Also, I answered the questions a few pages back, and I just answered the other one!
I didn't vote for him because Hapah did! I'm just too lazy to quote anything . I'll re-read again and post in an hour or so with some quotes.

You answer only one or two questions, none of them quoted above. And then, only those asking if the game was like you thought it'd be. Do not lie.

Geen:
#1
How borno is paranoid about accusations ? More detail.

#2
Wait. Why his defense makes you more likely to be lynched ?  And you won't be on the recieving end ? Are you suggesting you're going to kill ? And it sounds like you don't care who will be lynched only that it's not you. That's not a towny attitude at all Geen!

Sorry for a double post. Re-read a bit, then thought about more recent stuff. Still no quotes for now.
Hapah: Why the hell are you attempting to protect me? Are you trying to make it look like we're buddying up? This is mafia, one of us is going to backstab and get the other lynched or nightkilled. I'm not going to be on the receiving end, which I'm suspecting you want me to be on.Unvote.

Geen: Please clarify the bolded part.

How can you backstab someone if you don't know they are in your team? Only scum know their team. And only scum can night kill (in BMs).


Do all BMs have this much lurking in D2? Because the last BM (my first) was also like that.

Re-quoted, but relevant still.

Geen:

I vote borno. Just re-read the whole thread, my scumdar is tingling. Seems a bit paranoid about accusations, I suspect scum.

What is this shit? Are you just trying to dogpile borno so you can look town because everyone else said he scum? Or are you just jumping on a lurky townie? Considering the amount of reasoning in the post, I'd assume so. And

Sorry for a double post. Re-read a bit, then thought about more recent stuff. Still no quotes for now.
Hapah: Why the hell are you attempting to protect me? Are you trying to make it look like we're buddying up? This is mafia, one of us is going to backstab and get the other lynched or nightkilled. I'm not going to be on the receiving end, which I'm suspecting you want me to be on.Unvote.

And how sure are you that You/Hapah are in possession of an NK? What'd make you think that you could manipulate the town to murder the other guy or that YOU could get him with an NK, HMM?

Geen:

I vote borno. Just re-read the whole thread, my scumdar is tingling. Seems a bit paranoid about accusations, I suspect scum.

RE: Question: Yeah, it's a bit different from what I'm used to, a bit harder because there's no facial expression or tell in text, but I think I can handle it. I guess I've been a bit lurky with my observation.

So you drop a vote for rather vague reasons-will you elaborate, or will you change your target?

Oh! I see, this is different from what I'm used to. in the version I played, all scum would know who the other scum are.

Is this a roleclaim? Because that's what it feels like to me. Did you mean to do that? Because you say something that's covered in the OP, and throw in a statement that essentialy is claiming that you're not scum. So why was this needed to say?

A look through your posts shows that you considered Deathsword scummy, with no other explanation given. Then, you vote for Borno giving essentialy the same reason. You have not made one true scumhunting post in the entire thread. Do you feel that it's not needed to scumhunt?

I didn't vote for him because Hapah did! I'm just too lazy to quote anything . I'll re-read again and post in an hour or so with some quotes.

Why does his vote matter where you put yours?

F_ck this, Hapah. Too damn friendly, and I suspect is attempting to win over my favor for who knows what reason.

Right. So he's made a grand total of zero (0) posts since your last post. Meanwhile, you have been grilled quite well over yours.

So what's stopping me from thinking that the reason you changed your vote is in reaction to the pressure you've received and not any change in mind about your suspects? Because that's a lot what it looks like.

Geen:

You've got a point. Witty retort/evidence pending...

Also what I said in my post above.

BMC: I will answer your questions in another post.

[wsoxfan]

Using my BAH post as a bit of a bump here-people, activity. Sucmhunt everyone and their mother. This is LYLO. You have to lynch correctly.

And with that, I'm out of here!

[Jim Groovester]

Jim: My final case on Hapah was that he had voted on borno/wsoxfan while saying he thought he was town, kept accusing me of being scum simply because that I didn't ask for extend the first time D2 was about to end and because of the tone of my posts. To me it seemed he just wanted me dead while having no evidence to justify it.

He voted borno/wsoxfan to break the tie, or are you purposely ignoring that?

And I even made a statement about it, so I don't understand your problem with it.

Jim, why did you keep your vote on wsoxfan after he replaced borno?

Lack of a better target after he replaced in.

Players don't magically change alignment once they replace in, and while it's silly to think they can answer for everything their predecessor did, they still carry all the baggage that their predecessor left them.

BMC: I will answer your questions in another post.

Why couldn't you answer them then and there?

Trawling through the thread for every post Geen didn't respond to takes time and it's basically completely unnecessary to any argument made against him except for emphasis. This is time you could've spent answering BMC's question.

So, what're you waiting for? Waiting for Scumdaddy Shakerag to tell you a good answer? Stall tactics at lylo are bullshit, and this is a stall tactic.

I'm not refusing! Everything I've been asked I answered! Also, I fudged BECAUSE I WROTE MY MESSAGE IN SOMONE ELSE'S QUOTE. Somehow.

This is ridiculous.

See Deathsword's post. And go look at my post again, and why don't you try clicking on quote timestamps and the links therein, especially ones directed at you.

Because you stating you've answered everything is factually not true.

[Phantom of The Library]

Determined not to let Hapah's sacrifice go to waste, the group immediately leapt into action.


Attention all Players, the votes currently
stand as follows

[Deathsword] {0}:
[Boltur] {0}:
[Geen] {2}: blackmagechill, Deathsword
[blackmagechill] {0}:
[Jim Groovester] {0}:

Not voting {3}: Jim Groovester, Boltur, Geen
Replacement queue {0}: 

48 hours remain.
Day 3 will end Wednesday, ~10 PM CDT
Current extension requests: Zero. Three requests needed to extend the day.

The replacement queue is empty. Please post in the thread or PM me if you'd like to sign up!

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[Boltur]

Got some connection issues yesterday sorry for not posting.

Jim:

Boltur, when I look over the game I think you come in last in terms of activity, and if not, then you're still pretty low when it comes to that. Why are you so quiet?

Meanwhile, you also admitted to some fault a few times. I don't care that you made a mistake, but why the repeat mention? It's almost like someone called you out on something legitimately scummy, but you're hoping admitting to the mistake will get people to ignore it.

I were talking about my dissapearing at D1 end back then and i'm not sure why acknowleding that would make people to ignore it. I just wanted to make it clear that i realize that i need to be more active. I don't see any reason to argue about my activity so i try to just go with it and ignoring it seemed rude. And trying to keep up with the game without randomly throwing questions around is harder than i thought.

Deathsword:

BMC and Boltur: What are your top scumpicks now and why?

Well wsxofan turing out to be town made a mess of my previous look on the current situation so i need another reread to see who comes first but anyway: Geen is not making his situation look good especially in light of his yesterday vote on Hapah which looked like he tried too hard to find a reason to vote him, gave up and voted him out of some paranoia. On the other hand at the end of the day you thrown few interesting things , namely  your wsxofan vote-threat and the question you asked Jim already. The second one is interesting because in the same post you speculate about night results and maybe it's just me but planning tommorow's questioning is not something town can do without seeing the night results. In addition to that  BMC seemed strangely fine with day-end situation yesterday. If Jim is scum then i have no idea how to prove it.

Geen: Why are you so agitated about that then ? Stop flailing around , answer DS WoT questions/reminders and these : What made you keep your vote on Hapah yesterday ? What are you gonna do if something like yesterday happens at this day end ?

[Teneb]

Extend. I am not feeling very well today and can barely concentrate, so I don't think I am able to participate in a satisfactory way. Sorry to leave any questions hanging.

[wsoxfan]

Half a day without a post of scumhunting. This may be a thread record.

[blackmagechill]

Everyone's hunting, it's just that Geen refuses to answer questions.

[Teneb]

I'm feeling somewhat better today, so to the answers I owe:

Boltur: Regarding the question I asked Jim at the start of this day: as I said at the end of D2 I thought the scum would try to NK me, so I didn't want to leave anything unsaid should that have happened.

BMC and Jim: I do not think I can give a satisfactory answer to both of you without roleclaiming, and since this is a BM and a lylo, I guess the time to try it would be now. I am the cop. I was hoping to get to mylo instead of lylo so I could get an extra inspect. My first inspect was borno/wsoxfan, which resulted, obviously by now, in town. That inspect, together with my reads on wsoxfan, was what caused me to try to avoid his lynch if possible. The second inspect was on you, Jim. It resulted in town, but you could, of course, be the godfather, so I'll try to avoid doing WIFOM on that. Thus, in short: I am the cop. Wanted no lynch to get an extra inspect. I don't expect everyone to believe me, but I don't really have anything to lose (except the game, of course).


Jim: How was there are a lack of a better target if Geen was doing his crap since about he entered the game?

[Jim Groovester]

MOD: Prod Geen.

I were talking about my dissapearing at D1 end back then and i'm not sure why acknowleding that would make people to ignore it. I just wanted to make it clear that i realize that i need to be more active. I don't see any reason to argue about my activity so i try to just go with it and ignoring it seemed rude. And trying to keep up with the game without randomly throwing questions around is harder than i thought.

I don't know about you, but I'm not randomly throwing around questions.

Throwing them around randomly suggests you don't actually care what the questions are or who they're directed towards, which says that you're not really interested in scumhunting at all. Ergo, you are scum.

BMC and Jim: I do not think I can give a satisfactory answer to both of you without roleclaiming, and since this is a BM and a lylo, I guess the time to try it would be now. I am the cop. I was hoping to get to mylo instead of lylo so I could get an extra inspect. My first inspect was borno/wsoxfan, which resulted, obviously by now, in town. That inspect, together with my reads on wsoxfan, was what caused me to try to avoid his lynch if possible. The second inspect was on you, Jim. It resulted in town, but you could, of course, be the godfather, so I'll try to avoid doing WIFOM on that. Thus, in short: I am the cop. Wanted no lynch to get an extra inspect. I don't expect everyone to believe me, but I don't really have anything to lose (except the game, of course).

Why those targets?

Jim: How was there are a lack of a better target if Geen was doing his crap since about he entered the game?

I dispute your suggestion that Geen was a better target than borno/wsoxfan after he was replaced. If you're going to suggest that I should have voted Geen, then I can ask you right back why you didn't swap your vote from Hapah to Geen if he was such a good target.

I still held my suspcion of borno even after wsoxfan was replaced, and as I already said previously (which you seemed to ignore) a player doesn't magically become less suspicious when he gets replaced.

Extend.

[Teneb]

BMC and Jim: I do not think I can give a satisfactory answer to both of you without roleclaiming, and since this is a BM and a lylo, I guess the time to try it would be now. I am the cop. I was hoping to get to mylo instead of lylo so I could get an extra inspect. My first inspect was borno/wsoxfan, which resulted, obviously by now, in town. That inspect, together with my reads on wsoxfan, was what caused me to try to avoid his lynch if possible. The second inspect was on you, Jim. It resulted in town, but you could, of course, be the godfather, so I'll try to avoid doing WIFOM on that. Thus, in short: I am the cop. Wanted no lynch to get an extra inspect. I don't expect everyone to believe me, but I don't really have anything to lose (except the game, of course).

Why those targets?

Jim: How was there are a lack of a better target if Geen was doing his crap since about he entered the game?

I dispute your suggestion that Geen was a better target than borno/wsoxfan after he was replaced. If you're going to suggest that I should have voted Geen, then I can ask you right back why you didn't swap your vote from Hapah to Geen if he was such a good target.

I still held my suspcion of borno even after wsoxfan was replaced, and as I already said previously (which you seemed to ignore) a player doesn't magically become less suspicious when he gets replaced.

Extend.

Borno was chosen randomly. I investigated you this night because you are the (surviving) IC, you'd probably make the most dangerous scum among the players here.

While a player does not, indeed, become less suspicious by being replaced, you still did not really ask wsoxfan any questions. You just kept your vote on him. You also barely mentioned both Hapah's and my accusations against each other, commenting only as an IC on the whole lynching discussion instead. How can there be no better option if you didn't question anyone, instead voting on lurkers instead?

And why didn't I swap my vote to Geen? Because I though Hapah was scum and, frankly, far more dangerous as one than Geen could ever be.