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[Mr. Dwarfinton]

So, as town, you would kill the most active and intelligent person?

Kingfisher

[FluffyBinLaden]

Nope, nothing was sarcasm, and no, I'm not angry, I'm just probey. Throwing votes around to put pressure on is what you do, eh?

So, the pressure's on. I never accused you, I simply asked you to persuade me.

Remember, total scrub here, so when I get an idea, I just kinda throw it out.

Mr. Dwarfinton: You would kill Kingfisher, who is also just applying pressure and never even threatened to vote? Shaky...

[Mr. Dwarfinton]

Did you read his reply? My question was how would he determine who to kill as town. He replied with a person who is active an intelligent.

[Mr. Dwarfinton]

I need to spellcheck more often.

[Teneb]

FluffyBinLaden: Have you even read what I said?

Pressure votes tend to be thrown with a question. A REAL question. Not "prove to me you aren't scum!".

Mr. Dwarfinton: You would kill Kingfisher, who is also just applying pressure and never even threatened to vote? Shaky...

So Mr. Dwarfinton questioning the logic behind kingfisher's answer while throwing a (what I assume to be) pressure vote= Mr Dwarfinton wanting to kill kingfisher.

I don't know what you are trying to do by throwing these accusations with no evidence or explanation, FluffyBinLaden, but it seems way too wierd for me.

[borno]

Unvote.
Dariush:

Borno, if you were scum, whom among the non-ICs would you like as your scummate?

I would probably want Hapah on my side, because he's probably the most experienced non-IC.

Deathsword: You don't have to vote to do an OMGUS.

Also, you do realize that I was scum in the last game, and that I was replaced halfway through?

[borno]

EBWODP:
Deathsword: I don't think you're voting him because he's throwing pressure onto him, but because he voted you.

[Teneb]

Borno: Yes, I do realise you were scum, and yes you were replaced not long into the game, but you still were the only I got to interact with that is now here.

I am voting him because his posts have been completely illogical. He appears to believe that scumhunting is simply accusing someone and sitting there. I even pointed it out in my last posts. Here, I'll show it:

FluffyBinLaden: If you were the doctor and were about to be lynched, would you roleclaim, or would you try to evade death in some other way?

Well, Deathsword, I would attempt to evade death in some other way. Roleclaiming seems to me to be a rather dangerous thing when there's scum around. I also like being a private citizen, my profession is nobody's business.

So, why should I believe you ain't scum, boy?

Boltur: Because we're new means you'll find a scum? For shame. Why, do you think Deathsword's inexperience will betray him?

Wait, you are voing me over a single RVS question? Are you serious?

How can you be so sure I am scum, and why do you seem to be so determined to convince Boltur I am scum when you haven't even stated any evidence of my "scummyness".

Also, if any part of your post was a joke/sarcasm, please state it instead of letting us figure it out.

Please read the bolded part. While my first statement in that post does look like what an OMGUS would be, I believe that the rest of the post's content proves it is not an OMGUS.

In fact, he just answered my question and called me scum. And then claimed Dwarfinton was trying to kill kingfisher. Both with no evidence. I am voting because that seems very scummy to me. He doesn't even appear to have read more than the first line of my first answer to him.

ICs:Does a vote against an attacker within a post pointing out a flaw in said attacker's accusations classify as an OMGUS?

[Jim Groovester]

Mr Dwarfinton, I would see who is the most active and intelligent.
Deathsword: Jumping on after careful examination of posts, determining who deserves your vote. Not HURR DURR ME TOO.
Deathsword, going on the offensive a bit. Please, tell me the reason.

I have no idea what you're getting at here so it's time for me to stress one of my most frequent points in Beginner's Mafias:

The importance of communicating effectively.

You need to be able to communicate effectively. If you don't communicate effectively, then nobody knows what the hell you're talking about and then they won't listen to you, which is a travesty because your points on a particular target might be good or even dead fucking on. So you need to be able to state your points and questions as clearly as possible so that there's no ambiguity to what you mean and nobody has to wonder what you're talking about.

Conciseness is also a desirable quality. Forum mafia already sucks up a ton of time, so if you communicate clearly and concisely, then you reduce the time it takes to play the game and overall increases how convincing you are. Because who is easier to read? The person who makes a well thought, but horridly tangled and jumbled mess of needless rambling, or the person who says exactly what he means in as few sentences as possible?

Consider spacing out your paragraphs, quoting relevant portions of players' quotes that you're responding to, and using the preview button in order to improve clarity.

So, why should I believe you ain't scum, boy?

Nope, nothing was sarcasm, and no, I'm not angry, I'm just probey. Throwing votes around to put pressure on is what you do, eh?

So, the pressure's on. I never accused you, I simply asked you to persuade me.

I approve of probing targets to try and get information out of them, but I disapprove of placing the burden of innocence on your target. If you're scum, you can arbitrarily hold your vote on a player for as long as you want as he continually 'fails' to defend himself. That's too easy. If that were the case then it would take literally no effort to justify any vote.

Rather, it's up to you to provide convincing evidence that your target is scum. This is more difficult, but you've provided evidence of scumminess instead of lack of towniness, which is more direct and thereby more convincing. It also makes life more difficult for scum, since they actually have to put in effort to look like they're town. This increases the chance they might slip up and reveal themselves, which is always a good thing.

Because I forgot to include it in my last post:
Unvote
FluffyBinLaden

Why go for the blue when you could go for the red?

You suspect him, so what's holding you back from turning your suspicions into a vote?

ICs:Does a vote against an attacker within a post pointing out a flaw in said attacker's accusations classify as an OMGUS?

An OMGUS in its most technical definition is when you vote a player solely because they voted you.

If you have good reasons for your vote, then it's not an OMGUS regardless of whether a player voted you first. It will still get called an OMGUS, of course, but nobody really gives a shit about that.

OMGUSes are only really a concern if they happen in their strictest sense, in which case you're probably dealing with an incredibly inexperienced player who doesn't know what he's doing and in that case it doesn't really tell you much anyway.

[kingfisher1112]

Sorry Dwarfinton, I had just gotten up when I posted that. I thought the question said Mafia. Very sorry, I wish to avoid that in future. What I really meant was that I would find the most obviously scummy player, then check his interactions with other people. Again, sorry about that.

FluffyBinLaden, you seem to be throwing some heavy accusations. I hate to be jumping on a bandwagon, but you appear to be very overt in your rallying efforts.

Jim: Thanks, you have been very helpful. Then again that is an IC's job.

[Bookthras]

Time marches on, and with it arguments, accusations, and gnashing of teeth. The recriminations pause momentarily, as suddenly everyone turns their attention to their phones ringing out their various tones.

Attention all Players, the votes currently
stand as follows

[Hapah] {0}:
[Deathsword] {3}: borno, FluffyBinLaden, Hapah
[Boltur] {1}: Jim Groovester
[Mr. Dwarfinton] {1}: Boltur
[FluffyBinLaden] {2}: Deathsword, kingfisher1112
[borno] {1}: Dariush
[kingfisher1112] {1}: Mr. Dwarfinton
[Dariush] {0}:   
[Jim Groovester] {0}:

Not voting {0}:
Replacement queue {1}: Dustylou2

35:30 hours remain.
Day 1 will end Wednesday ~10:00PM CDT.
Current extension requests: zero. Four requests needed to extend the day.

[Boltur]

Boltur: Because we're new means you'll find a scum? For shame. Why, do you think Deathsword's inexperience will betray him?

In answer to first part : Yes. I think it's easier to find newbie scum than be sure someone is newbie town. That works both ways of course as new town mistakes could be interpreted as scumtells but that is true for mafia in general. Why should i be ashamed of that ? And the second question is your job not mine. First tell me your arguments then i can see if they are sound. You have yet to say something that is supported by reality so get to it.

Because I forgot to include it in my last post:
Unvote
FluffyBinLaden

What was your reason to do this ?  Unless that was mistake.

Uh, we're all less likely because we don't have as much as experience. I don't understand your reasoning behind asking these questions.
No, not all reasons are equal but I guess I read it as if you were saying that jumping on a bandwagon was bad regardless of the reason

Okay more precise question : When jumping on bandwagon is acceptable for you ?

Deathsword: Your opinion on Mr.Dwarfinton ?
Mr.Dwarfinton:: Your opinion on Deathsword ?

Kingfisher: Is rallying for support is something bad ? When or why ?

[Dariush]

This post contains generally useful (in my opinion) game-related information and is recommended reading for everyone, not just for those people whose mistakes I point out.

Dariush:

Deathsword, if you were town, whom among the non-ICs would you most prefer on town side?

Borno.

Why?

Mostly because of all the players here, he was the only one I played with. Hapah only joined the last BM after I was lynched, so I couldn't get any interaction with him.

You are expected to explain this right away, without people having to ask you for clarification. Shrugging off a question like this would net you a raised eyebrow and a prod, doing so repeatedly will net you a vote and a lynch. Don't do it.

Deathsword: Nope!

This is bullshit. Very occasionally experienced people will try to pull off such 'Here, I voted you for no reason. What are you going to do about it?' gambit, and sometimes it will work. If you are reading this and aren't Book or Jim, you shouldn't do this. If you're scum, it will net you unwanted attention. If you are town, it won't help you catch scum. Most likely you'll get lynched if you pull this off. Don't do it.

ICs:Does a vote against an attacker within a post pointing out a flaw in said attacker's accusations classify as an OMGUS?

What Jim said. A note from a pure meta standpoint: it is highly unrecommended to do so if you currently have the majority of the votes, since you will probably be bandwagoned by a combination of scum and lazy noobs going for an easy lynch (if you do not have the majority of votes, people will probably ignore you). Accusing someone of OMGUS is about the laziest and easiest thing scum can do to achieve a mislynch. If only one person is doing it, you can shift the attention to him and his empty case and get him lynched (or at the very least off your back). Otherwise you're in trouble.

Unvote meanwhile.

[Hapah]

Dar: Noted! I just saw this used for the first time very recently, and so I had to give it a go.

Fluffy: Can you please explain why you voted DS? I may have missed it; let me know if that's the case.

borno: Same as above.

[Teneb]

Dariush:

Deathsword, if you were town, whom among the non-ICs would you most prefer on town side?

Borno.

Why?

Mostly because of all the players here, he was the only one I played with. Hapah only joined the last BM after I was lynched, so I couldn't get any interaction with him.

You are expected to explain this right away, without people having to ask you for clarification. Shrugging off a question like this would net you a raised eyebrow and a prod, doing so repeatedly will net you a vote and a lynch. Don't do it.

I'll try to avoid this in the future.

Because I forgot to include it in my last post:
Unvote
FluffyBinLaden

Why go for the blue when you could go for the red?

You suspect him, so what's holding you back from turning your suspicions into a vote?

I was hoping he'd answer with a sane and logical post clarifying why he though I was scum. That didn't happen, so I voted him after that.

Because I forgot to include it in my last post:
Unvote
FluffyBinLaden

What was your reason to do this ?  Unless that was mistake.

Could you clarify? Are you asking me why I FoSed him (answered above) or why I unvoted and FoSed in a different post (as stated in the quote, I forgot to include them in the post directly above)?

Deathsword: Your opinion on Mr.Dwarfinton ?

There isn't much to go on him at this point, except what looked like an attempt to deflect attention from KF by asking what was the point of your question. KF still has to answer your question, quote:

kingfisher: Jumping on a bandwagon with a reason is alright ? What reason that would be ?

So, kingfisher: Why is it that you didn't answer the question, instead trying to pretend it never happened?
Mr Dwarfinton: Why are you defending KF? Are you 100% sure he is town? Or are you two scumbuddies, and you are trying to protect him?