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Re: Holy mother of science...
« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2012, 09:51:46 am »

Regarding the >10 month gestation of little Kivish.

I once had a fort where my mayor was a baby factory - there was about 5 little dwarflets running about. Then her hubby had died tragically, and began to haunt the halls. I figuerd I'd do the right thing and give him a proper memorial. Meanwhile, before I got the chance to give him a decent burial, she gave birth. Awwww, that's so sad, she must have been preggers when her partner karked it. Some time later, the slab was almost done .... and she had another kid. So I abandoned my plans to bury him, as obviously my mayor and her husband's ghost were getting along quite nicely :)

Long story short: I'd keep an eye on Asmel to see if she has any more kids. Would be interesting to find out, I'd ascribed the posthumous pregnancy to Daddy's ghosthood, but quite possibly the dwarfs are running a sperm bank out of somebodies nethercap wood cabinent.

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Really? that is quite interesting Science. You should post this in the wiki.
I always feel sad when a dwarf loses his/her mate without having child and the line dies. This is a solutionj to that.
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Re: Holy mother of science...
« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2012, 01:17:43 pm »

Out of curiosity, what has Toady said about pregnancy?

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« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2012, 02:23:17 pm »

so, your werewolf had a child possibly spored by the ghost of a dwarf who had all his blood let out.

And this is the first and only child born of that mother?

so the child is potentially a virgin birth and the son of the holey ghost?
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« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2012, 03:20:57 pm »

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« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2012, 04:14:54 pm »

so, your werewolf had a child possibly spored by the ghost of a dwarf who had all his blood let out.

And this is the first and only child born of that mother?

so the child is potentially a virgin birth and the son of the holey ghost?
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« Reply #65 on: August 17, 2012, 07:05:18 am »

Really? that is quite interesting Science. You should post this in the wiki.
I always feel sad when a dwarf loses his/her mate without having child and the line dies. This is a solutionj to that.

Yeah it was a while ago (shortly after ghosts were brought in I think) and I'm working from memory, so would want to see someone 'reproduce' the situation.
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Re: Holy mother of science...
« Reply #66 on: August 25, 2012, 10:33:22 pm »

Update! Kivish is two months old now and still floating about happily. The inhabitants of Silentthunders are actually giving him water when he's thirsty and can't  reach Asmel.
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However, they'll die of thirst without their mothers unless they're nearly at the child stage, so you may as well kill them off.
I think I've discovered a way to keep orphaned babies alive!
Well, I think.
I think this is because Kivish is mobile in that he keeps trying to reach his mother through all her burrows and stuff that the Dwarves treat Kivish like a normal, albeit naked Dwarf. So I suppose a baby wouldn't be pathing to his or her burrowed parent if she was dead, and instead of seeing a naked Dwarf they would see a naked Dwarf baby, and make the unconscious decision to not give it water.


so, your werewolf had a child possibly spored by the ghost of a dwarf who had all his blood let out.

And this is the first and only child born of that mother?

so the child is potentially a virgin birth and the son of the holy ghost?
Sounds about right. I like Kivish.

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« Reply #67 on: August 25, 2012, 11:26:28 pm »

Update! Kivish is two months old now and still floating about happily. The inhabitants of Silentthunders are actually giving him water when he's thirsty and can't  reach Asmel.
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I think I've discovered a way to keep orphaned babies alive!
Well, I think.
I think this is because Kivish is mobile in that he keeps trying to reach his mother through all her burrows and stuff that the Dwarves treat Kivish like a normal, albeit naked Dwarf. So I suppose a baby wouldn't be pathing to his or her burrowed parent if she was dead, and instead of seeing a naked Dwarf they would see a naked Dwarf baby, and make the unconscious decision to not give it water.
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Two thoughs come to mind instantly:

a) This might be relevant to why dwarves won't bring water to prisoners (an ongoing bug) but will try to bring water to dwarves who are working and thirsty. Perhaps you have to be pathing or working or something in order to qualify. Worth further investigation.

b) Do you have a vampire blood well/vampire handy? "The inhabitants of Silentthunders are actually giving him water when he's thirsty". If you turn Kivish into a vampire now, he'll be a vampire baby forever. Which is kinda cool, but makes him rather useless and prevents him from having a future as a contributing citizen. I need to go make myself some vampire babies - it'll be awesome when they feed on people (perhaps their sleeping mother?).

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Re: Holy mother of science...
« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2012, 05:44:15 am »

a) This might be relevant to why dwarves won't bring water to prisoners (an ongoing bug) but will try to bring water to dwarves who are working and thirsty. Perhaps you have to be pathing or working or something in order to qualify. Worth further investigation.
It's a bit odd to fix a bug with a bug (presumably?), but I agree nonetheless.

b) Do you have a vampire blood well/vampire handy? "The inhabitants of Silentthunders are actually giving him water when he's thirsty". If you turn Kivish into a vampire now, he'll be a vampire baby forever. Which is kinda cool, but makes him rather useless and prevents him from having a future as a contributing citizen. I need to go make myself some vampire babies - it'll be awesome when they feed on people (perhaps their sleeping mother?).
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Re: Holy mother of science...
« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2012, 06:17:54 am »

Whoa. A DF version of the Daywalker? Only, you know, half-were-civet instead of half-vampire.  :o
This ought to get interesting... Especially the part about whether or not he'll start turning into a were-civet upon becoming a child. Because that would be the third known transmission vector of werecurses. (The two known thus far being, of course, a non-fatal werebeast bite that draws blood, and the act of profaning a temple.)

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Also, vampire babies sound like pretty much the creepiest thing ever conceived (pun intended).
"Yeah, sure, the baby bled his own mother dry... Into the isolation chamber with you, you lying blood-sucker!"
Imagine a fortress filled with nothing but immortal, blood-draining toddlers... *shudder*

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« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2012, 08:04:02 am »

Could you describe how is Asmel isolated from the fort? Are bridges involved?
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« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2012, 01:32:06 pm »

Bay 12 forums: world's leading resource on research of neonatal werebeast syndrome transmission.

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« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2012, 06:32:34 pm »

Well Holy Schist.
If we can make dwarf babies into weres, then... we have a means to create a 100% were-creature fort, via breeding the were-dwarfs with as many non-were dwarfs as possible. The possibilities. Kivish must live. For !!Science!!.
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Re: Holy mother of science...
« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2012, 09:41:46 pm »

I'm going to keep a tab here, so I can keep up on the !!SCIENCE!!. Anyone post any [valuable] information to the wiki yet?


EDIT: "The wife will give birth to a baby every year, until she or her husband dies, or until the fortress's population limit or child limit is reached. There are no visible signs of pregnancy, and there are no effective means of contraception other than the child limit." DF wiki: Marriage.
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Re: Holy mother of science...
« Reply #74 on: August 28, 2012, 06:29:17 am »

Could you describe how is Asmel isolated from the fort? Are bridges involved?

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10zlvls below ground beneath the citadel, beneath the stockpiles and other such like structures lies two of the sparring pools I made, both having long since been let to dry after it was discovered babies were left in the pool. Since then it's been used to house the Were-civets.
No bridges, just lots of doors. When I first constructed it I didn't realize they were building destroyers, and it was only a few months later I noticed that doors/coffers were going missing in their rooms.
In fact, the doors are really more there to keep Dwarves out. As long they don't catch sight of any potential prey they don't try breaking the doors down. And then there's the dozen or so Dwarves on the other end, always fully armed and armoured and always sparring in case one of the civets were to accidentally escape.
I might set up a fight for them later, it's been a while since they've fought anything. I think the last time I've seen them up against an armoured opponent was more tragic than spectacular.
The bedrooms I realized are kinda redundant. I'm not sure when's the last time I've seen them sleep, a throwback I guess to when they were your average run of the mill migrants.
No bridges or mechanisms involved in the containment, it'd take too long getting the Dwarves in an out when needed quickly enough. They're still Dwarves - better in some cases even ^_^



Well Holy Schist.
If we can make dwarf babies into weres, then... we have a means to create a 100% were-creature fort, via breeding the were-dwarfs with as many non-were dwarfs as possible. The possibilities. Kivish must live. For !!Science!!.
Did some testing and - 100% Were-creature forts do not result in fortress death! Although sadly I do not think that'd be possible in my fort. The Dwarves are all too good in their respective military skills, and the were-civets happen to be the most well trained at unarmed combat (well Asmel is anyways).
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