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[Gamerlord]

They seem quite orky to me. But maybe an upgrade to the Sapper's Flamethrower to use warpstone vapor...

When I think of orcs, I think of a cross between Tolkien-esque orcs and Warcraft orcs.

Well that's your problem. The way it is going right now, you're going to be able to play them however you want. Just ignore workshops and stuff you don't want. No need to say 'this is not in the spirit of the mod' or whatever. Just include it and let the player choose what they want to do.

[smakemupagus]

"It is not unlikely that they invented some of the machines that have since troubled the world, especially the ingenious devices for killing large numbers of people at once, for wheels and engines and explosions always delighted them."

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(edit.  sorry for cross posting a bit -- doing too many things at once )

The Barbarian Tech buildings have always been a way to include slightly random stuff outside the main structure.  Things from other game modes that I want to have a chance to play around with, or just new things I am tinkering around with.  The blueprints are rare enough; if you unlock the Heavy Weapons Armory it's because you've been raiding the Humans (probably for guns and ammo), probably many times over several years.  I think it's orky enough that within a clan with long experience with guns and access to warpstone, some too-clever tinkerer would try to combine them.

all that being said, I would totally buy an ipad with a bottle opener, so your mileage may vary.  You do always have the option to just chuck all the Barbarian Tech blueprints into the volcano  

[tahujdt]

"It is not unlikely that they invented some of the machines that have since troubled the world, especially the ingenious devices for killing large numbers of people at once, for wheels and engines and explosions always delighted them."

Good quote. That, however, is referring to the goblins, not the orcs. Warcraft orcs have goblins assisting them, piloting zeppelins and strapping bombs to their chests. The most advanced tech the orcs have are boats and firey catapaults.

[Gamerlord]

Yet these aren't specifically Warcraft orcs. Don't try and compare them.

[smakemupagus]

# Patch 1.28.1
Update the hypothetical name of the hypothetical future warpstone musket to "Gyro-Balanced Khorium Destroyer" for compatability with Azeroth lore
http://images.wikia.com/wowwiki/images/f/f4/OrcGyroRifle2PNG.PNG



(tahujdt, I know, you're probably thinking of Thrall and the early days of the new horde or so, and that's the part of warcraft lore that I think is worth looking to for some inspiration too.  Rather than the WOW endgame or expansions which are all over the place.  I haven't played in years anyway.  But, even back in the WCIII days, didn't Grom take a bath in warpstone so he could defeat a Centaur demigod in the first battle of Warsong gulch?)

[Demdemeh]

That was Daemon blood.

[tahujdt]

# Patch 1.28.1
Update the hypothetical name of the hypothetical future warpstone musket to "Gyro-Balanced Khorium Destroyer" for compatability with Azeroth lore
http://images.wikia.com/wowwiki/images/f/f4/OrcGyroRifle2PNG.PNG



(tahujdt, I know, you're probably thinking of Thrall and the early days of the new horde or so, and that's the part of warcraft lore that I think is worth looking to for some inspiration too.  Rather than the WOW endgame or expansions which are all over the place.  I haven't played in years anyway.  But, even back in the WCIII days, didn't Grom take a bath in warpstone so he could defeat a Centaur demigod in the first battle of Warsong gulch?)

I only played WCII.

[smakemupagus]

I only played WCII.

My favorite of the bunch too

[smakemupagus]

Question 1.
The Evil Allies currently sell us blueprints for their unique buildings (Glassblower, Nethermill, Legion Outpost, Tavern).  They're supposed to be *sort of* rare, because they're not our domestic core buildings, but not impossible to get either.

anyone have a strong opinion on how readily available they should be?

(a) Only available from the Evil Allies trade caravan.  No civ in world or no visit means no blueprint for that game.
(b) Available from Evil Allies trade caravan, the caravanserai, AND the Orcish home civ trader.  (How it is now)
(c) Available from Evil Allies trade caravan, the caravanserai but NOT Orcish home civ (Needs some thought, but may be doable)

Question 2.
Anyone have an opinion on display name for "lightweight weapons grade green glass" material?  Available from trade & from the Ashland glassblower shop in Orc mode; it may also appear in Dwarf mode when carried by the Ashlander elf invaders.

(a) "glass" - current, it is actually technically a unique name, but maybe still potentially confusing
(b) "ashland glass" - leading candidate i think
(c) "bladeglass"
(d) "metallic glass"

I think "ebonglass" for the heavy stuff works fine.

[Demdemeh]

Question 1.
The Evil Allies currently sell us blueprints for their unique buildings (Glassblower, Nethermill, Legion Outpost, Tavern).  They're supposed to be *sort of* rare, because they're not our domestic core buildings, but not impossible to get either.

anyone have a strong opinion on how readily available they should be?

(a) Only available from the Evil Allies trade caravan.  No civ in world or no visit means no blueprint for that game.
(b) Available from Evil Allies trade caravan, the caravanserai, AND the Orcish home civ trader.  (How it is now)
(c) Available from Evil Allies trade caravan, the caravanserai but NOT Orcish home civ (Needs some thought, but may be doable)

Question 2.
Anyone have an opinion on display name for "lightweight weapons grade green glass" material?  Available from trade & from the Ashland glassblower shop in Orc mode; it may also appear in Dwarf mode when carried by the Ashlander elf invaders.

(a) "glass" - current, it is actually technically a unique name, but maybe still potentially confusing
(b) "ashland glass" - leading candidate i think
(c) "bladeglass"
(d) "metallic glass"

I think "ebonglass" for the heavy stuff works fine.

[Meph]

I havent played enough to answer that, but I want to say something about the warpstone musket:

Warpstone, good old warhammer warpstone, has been in the mod from the very first release. I always wanted to do something with it, I always planned for warpstone weaponry. Modders just lacked the tools, till dfhack r3, expwnent and putnam came along. While I was more thinking about warpstone grenades, warpthrowers and warpstone-ammo for muskets (because making the actual musket from that stuff doesnt really help), as well as warpstone experiments in a workshop,  I have to say that both skaven and warpstone are definitely a planned feature for a long time.

What smake does with his orcs and warpstone is up to him, but seeing that they can also mine it... why not use it?

There is also the warpstone lab button in the GUI since 5 versions... like the manual says: A teaser for things to come.

[anomaly]

The blueprints should be fairly widely available... nothing was more frustrating in old versions than discovering after embark that there's no sand etc.


Warcraft 2 was great but trying to contend with the outdated ui is migraine invoking.  It also bothered me that ogre magi were so much better than paladins.  Although ogres are pretty cool and that is why I am kicking around making an ogre mod.  But multiplayer should be better balanced.

[smakemupagus]

warpstone-ammo for muskets (because making the actual musket from that stuff doesnt really help)

Don't tell them!     It works as long as everyone in the clan believes it!

[smakemupagus]

Orc Fortress 1.3.x for MDF3
This fixes some minor bugs, balance, and compatibility with MDF3 patch.

So far  tested for worldgen stability and clean errorlog.
~2 year in to test fort.  New profession tiles work.
Ashlanders trade the new style blueprint. 
Combat still seems fine after body size adjustment
Early impression: "more leather" is pretty powerful.  ~4 or 5 pieces from a Human or Unicorn.  Not unreasonable though. 

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1.30 BETA
* Copy Meph's version of files with some small changes relating to MDF3 update
* added YESSIMPLEWOOD to REACTION:WOOD_PLANKS_ORC... reaction_orcfort.txt(5004)
* remove [ITEMS_] tokens from the enchanted bloodsteel itemsyndrome materials (clean up forge / manager)
* check cooldown on all enchanted bloodsteel items and arcane weapons increased from 200 to 500 ticks
* Typo, ruby glass pipe section reaction name
* [STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:ashland glass] instead of "glass" to minimize confusion
* bugfix: check that curses which invoke material emissions properly use target:C
* bugfix: sapper satchel correctly get material from reagent
* remove orcs' tails
* Chaos dwarf mutant castes not quite SO chaotic, tested in arena, looks fine
* balance - replace ineffective Frostskald "liquid spatter" spells (flash freeze)
   ** gains Arctic gale and Waterbolt as core spells
   ** Stormcrystal dreamcatcher spell (was blizzard) is replaced with a chromatic burst, or as Oblivion players might call it "Enemies Explode"
* greatly decrease the trade value of goblin/kobold migrants (from 1000 to 100)
* greatly increase the trade value of human/etc. captives (from 20 to 200)
* balance - rebalanced loot in Merchant shipping raids; less cannons, more variety
   ** caravanserai and captive rates unchanged
* balance - rechecked mats requirements for Damasc and Ancient Foundry items, some are now cheaper
* balance - with new high-toughness wolfram, re-enable damasc morningstar (and towershield w/ human toolkit only)
* ancient foundry orichalcum greataxe is now "superior" type, to make it a nice upgrade over domestic forge
* Professions for MDF3 compatability
   ** Noble position is now "master scribe" (scribe is profession)
   ** Noble position is now "clanspeaker" (speaker is profession)
   ** Arcane Forge is build and run by runesmith
   ** Dwarven looted runesmith is built by runesmith
   ** Tinkerer mineral oil = lye_making (chemistry)
   ** Damasc build by weaponsmith
   ** Totem pole and tavern music reactions = glazing (music)
      ** Tavern build by glazing
   ** Places of Power build by alchemy (spellcasting)
   ** buying and selling are done by [SKILL:POTTERY] (scribe)
      ** Caravanserai and Freelancers built by Pottery (scribe)
   ** Drydock built by SIEGECRAFT
   ** Labor cells run and build by Tanner (speaker)
   ** Obsidian spire library build and run by presser (thinka)
   ** tailor hut = clothesmaker; tracker hut = hunt; ancient foundry = smelt
   ** fluidcaster build and mostly run by = POTASH_MAKING (alchemist)   
* Profession graphic tiles for MDF3 compatability
   ** new tiles for several new professions, and scribe and speaker nobles
* Orcs have thier own version of the 6 runesmith coatings that they can do
   ** Orcs immune to blood and doom runes, remove Dwarf immunities
* implement a work around to limit evil allies blueprints from domestic purchase
   ** Buildings use a blueprint TOOL, not bar
   ** Caravanserai sells TOOLs; Evil entities can craft the TOOLs
   ** Blueprint bars removed from trade reactions; blueprint creatures deleted
* Balance:  Orc body size
   ** Orcs, Corsairs, and Artisans reduced to 75000 (humans = 75000, masterwork dwarves = 70000)
      ** Still have major physical advantages +++STR and ++AGI, but no longer single wield greatweapons
   ** Uruks and Ronin reduced to 90000

[Meph]

Leather also has a higher value... since it is easier to get to by killing things, I wanted to make it harder to get by trading.