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Trinimac

Malacath

Gork

Mork

Morgoth

Saruman

Bhall

Father Sky

[gwathlobal]

Ok, that nails it. Variable IDs were indeed different there.

[smakemupagus]

Yes, confirmed, should have been an "A" for the variable, so TARGET_RANGE was being ignored.

Caste transform doesn't work for "one at a time" learning because it is exclusive, so it prevents them from ever learning more than one spell, nor ever become a Druid/Sorcerer. 

Well, my thinking is that if it's temporary then we can make those spells powerful enough that the ability makes a real difference in that 1 month or season.  If it's permanent then it should be much weaker because it's so easy.  Also there are some spells I don't really *want*, as a player, to be active for a long time.  I'm leaning towards keeping some spells temporary but also adding a reaction for crafting Druid/Sorc codexes.

Frenzy = if permanent, it would be way too powerful for how easy it is to get,  since it turns enemies against each other
Healing = you don't really want it to be permanent (well, I don't anyway) because of announcement spam
Raise Dead = you don't really want it to be permanent, since the raised dead are hostile to all life

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I'm going to experiment with CE_DISPLAY_NAME and CE_FLASH_TILE.
0.35a
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* fix TARGET_RANGE in Druid SUFFOCATION_CURSE_ORC
* return target number to 3 in Druid SUFFOCATION_CURSE_ORC
* added CE_FLASH_TILE and CE_DISPLAY_NAME to many totem, music, and dreamwalkers' magics
   * highly experimental, wiki is a bit unclear on details

Update:  both the Flash Tile and the Display Name work like a charm.  So, while the guy is playing the battle song, every so many ticks he flashes to look like an instrument; and his name is now Malatug Agratlag, Orc Farmer Hornblower.

[gwathlobal]

Any chance to return to the previous magic system, then? 

[smakemupagus]

Any chance to return to the previous magic system, then? 

Well, in the current build we pretty much have both systems turned on.  Other than the newly limited 1 month spell durations which  I agree are pretty lame for FF and disable, but imo were needed for Healing and Frenzy.  So that is a detail that is balanceable. were tweaked pretty heavily in 0.36

0.36
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0.36
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* edit some text in reaction names
* fix druid learn spell should be at SC not AoS
* remove strip wood stalks reaction copied from Kobold camp, not working
* fix new spell codexes reagent SMALLGEMS
* fix BUY_SIEGEAMMO_BRONZE_ORC wrong building
* now human laborers eat fish; drow eat plants (dwarves booze; elves meat)
* Dreamwalker learnable spells
   - Fairyfire is learned permanently; no displayname
   - Disable is learned permanently; no displayname
   - ICEBOLT, new, duration 1 season, learn at Stone Circle
   - Frenzy duration increased to 1 season; range increase
   - Heal duration increased to 1 season
   - Raise Dead duration increased to 5000 ticks; but raising is over time no longer instant
* Dreamwalker spell mojos added to raiders loot (still craftable too)
* Druid and Sorcerer codexes now craftable (still lootable too)
* Rate of raider capture laborers somewhat reduced

There are a couple things the new caste based system does better in my opinion,

(1) I don't really want to have to go there 3 or 4 times to micromanage a new Druid learning the whole basic spellbook, (hurl rock) AND (sap strength) AND (suffocate) AND (maybe fairyfire).  Just go once, bang, Druid, good to go. 

(2) Unfortunately flash tile or displayname can only tell you one thing at a time, so it tells you whether you successfully learned the lastest spell, but it can't tell you which N out of 12 available spells you currently know.  The Caste title is a good shorthand for info about a group of spells he knows.

(3) Someone warned me that DISPLAY NAME breaks that character appearing in therapist, so that is not ideal for permanently learned spells.

So, yeah.  Hopefully we can evolve it towards best of both worlds, and somehow also not be too incomprehensible ^^

[tahujdt]

What poll do?

[Meph]

It shows your affinity to either elder scrolls, warhammer, LotR or Wow.

[smakemupagus]

Just thought it was more fun than an empty poll.

It shows your affinity to either elder scrolls, warhammer, LotR or Wow.

CivIV: Fall from Heaven, or Heroes of Might and Magic ^^  Warcraft Orcs have similar factions and might as well have the same gods, but if so I don't know what their names are in Azeroth (maybe, the same, lol).

[Meph]

Me neither, but I thought I remember the Father Sky from the Tauren of Warcraft 3 Singleplayer campaign. But yeah, Heroes of Might and Magic is a lot better, even if the 6th one was a bit weird.

[MegaHarald]

Father sky sounds to me like tengrism, the irl steppe religion.

[smakemupagus]

I didn't know much about Tengrism before now, but yes.  Thanks, good to learn something about the real world once in a while

[Meph]

Real world is overrated (actually, having seen a bit of it: Its awesome) So is thread derailment. I stop now.

How is your Orc Fort V1 coming along, with all the wanted features? And how do steam-items and powered weapons fit the tribal orc theme ? ^^

[smakemupagus]

How is your Orc Fort V1 coming along, with all the wanted features?

Yep, other than the idea that there's so much late game stuff now, though, that it's almost impossible to test everything in a single game, it's good. 

Between gwothlobal and Mrs. Smak doing beta testing, a lot of bugs are squashed; I've been doing balance testing (tiaga/glacier forts, gold rich forts where i mint coins, aquifer forts, rush for magic, rush for freelancers, etc.) 

And how do steam-items and powered weapons fit the tribal orc theme ? ^^

You'll notice Trinimac and Father Sky were not the *only* choices in the poll  

[gwathlobal]

Sorcerers and Druids as part of the military are cool. Btw, can an enemy die of Sorcerer's decaying curse?

[CheatingChicken]

I got a question about equipping my male uruk ronin. I am not quite sure what kind of sword is the most effective. He is currently using an iridium scimitar. How would a welded mithril katana/daikatana perform in comparison?

edit:
It seems like he changed his tactics...

[smakemupagus]

Yeah in my Aquifer test fort too, Druid-warchief is saving the day especially when arrows were in short supply

I think that i've never breached an aquifer the old-fashioned way before, or at least not in a very long time. (i.e. without Magma tramcarts).  I think the advanced buildings being such rare drops is good for the game design but in this case it's kind of killing me  .  I clearcut the whole map, plus ran through 2/3 of food supply working the elvish labor camp for wood for longboats, and still no Magma Source station ^^  Still the raiders brought back plenty of other useful Dwarvish stuff, just enough steel to kit out the important orcs plus a Frenzy rune so it's all good.

Sorcerers and Druids as part of the military are cool. Btw, can an enemy die of Sorcerer's decaying curse?

Possibly, but if so it takes a long time.  It targets skeleton, not vital organs.

Pain is the short term stun/debuff and as far as I can tell works more or less as intended.

Bloodcurse is supposed to be the Sorc's killer, but only targeting the throat wasn't working well.  I changed it to target all vascular tissues and now confirmed fatal in arena testing, although it takes quite some time.  I had to kite a panda around the whole arena ~3 times before he felt faint, ~5 times before pale, and total of ~7 times before he went down for good. 

I got a question about equipping my male uruk ronin. I am not quite sure what kind of sword is the most effective. He is currently using an iridium scimitar. How would a welded mithril katana/daikatana perform in comparison?

Good question, he'll do great either way.  I would say the daikatana, except if the iridium is an artifact.

Iridium is a super sharp material and will cut through basically anything, even deep bronze / orichalum / welded mithril armors.  But, scimitar is a relatively smaller weapon and you may have cut limbs off one at a time. 

Daikatana is big enough to bisect humanoids (sometimes) and welded mithril a good enough material to cut through anything up to and including steel / regular mithril.  But, small orcs would have to hold it in 2Hands and weak orcs may not have the strength to penetrate armor because of the big contact area.  Ronin of course shouldn't have either of those problems.

Katana is a fine weapon, good choice for non-Uruks, but not better than the iridium scimitar.

My aquifer fort also has 2 ronin, and they've been in a 2-orc squad pretty much just sparring for a solid year.  It's a beautiful thing   I can't decide whether to split them up to train recruits or just let them keep at it to become masters.