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[Alpha Dwarf]

Thus ends another bright star in the Anarchist tales. He should have never feared the fruit stand, damnit. Drive through, Jimmy, drive through to God now.

[EuchreJack]

Yeah, I quickly learned not to care about the fruit sellers.  It's their own fault for obstructing my Liberal Band Wagon.

[SealyStar]

Can you please correct the spelling in the title? "Fuit" reminds me of *shudder* Latin verb conjugations.

[miauw62]

Ah, Latin.
Its way better then French tough.

[SealyStar]

Fui, fuisti, fuit, fuimus, fuistis, fuerunt...
The horror.

Anyway, back on topic, I'm not sure what everyone means. The OP implied that his driver died crashing into a fruit stand, but EuchreJack just said something about not caring about them. I coulda sworn crashing into them was random chance, that the game didn't give a fuck whether you cared about them or not.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

Anyway, back on topic, I'm not sure what everyone means. The OP implied that his driver died crashing into a fruit stand, but EuchreJack just said something about not caring about them. I coulda sworn crashing into them was random chance, that the game didn't give a fuck whether you cared about them or not.

When you attempt to flee from enemies when driving, there is a random chance a fruit stand is up ahead. If there is, you are given a choice of whether to plow through it, or drive evasively to avoid it. If you avoid it, the driver must make a driving skill roll to avoid swerving out of control and crashing; if you plow through it, you don't risk crashing, but you may hit and kill innocent bystanders.

The OP's driver died from avoiding a fruit stand, so he urged Jimmy to not fear the fruit stand, and instead drive through it. EuchreJack's comment was about plowing into the fruit stand, so as to avoid losing control of the car, and hardening your heart to the consequences for the innocent fruit sellers.

Perhaps the fruit stand encounter should be rewritten to be a little kid running out into your path, and you can either slam the brakes and swerve wildly (risking your life), or slam the horn and scream at the kid to move (risking the innocent bystander). It is how it is for legacy reasons -- it was the original random obstacle that Toady put in the game when he first made car chases.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Any heart or juice loss for vehicular homiciding fruit stand workers?

[SealyStar]

Anyway, back on topic, I'm not sure what everyone means. The OP implied that his driver died crashing into a fruit stand, but EuchreJack just said something about not caring about them. I coulda sworn crashing into them was random chance, that the game didn't give a fuck whether you cared about them or not.

When you attempt to flee from enemies when driving, there is a random chance a fruit stand is up ahead. If there is, you are given a choice of whether to plow through it, or drive evasively to avoid it. If you avoid it, the driver must make a driving skill roll to avoid swerving out of control and crashing; if you plow through it, you don't risk crashing, but you may hit and kill innocent bystanders.

The OP's driver died from avoiding a fruit stand, so he urged Jimmy to not fear the fruit stand, and instead drive through it. EuchreJack's comment was about plowing into the fruit stand, so as to avoid losing control of the car, and hardening your heart to the consequences for the innocent fruit sellers.

Perhaps the fruit stand encounter should be rewritten to be a little kid running out into your path, and you can either slam the brakes and swerve wildly (risking your life), or slam the horn and scream at the kid to move (risking the innocent bystander). It is how it is for legacy reasons -- it was the original random obstacle that Toady put in the game when he first made car chases.

Oh. I haven't gotten a fruit stand for so long that I forgot you had a choice.

Couldn't you put in both fruit stands and little kids, even if they were the same for gameplay purposes? I'm assuming fruit stands were just chosen since they were the stock campy chase scene obstacle.

[EuchreJack]

I'm all for adding the little kid to the list of obstacles, while retaining the fruit stand.

Sorry my post above wasn't clear, and thanks Jonathan for explaining.

More diversity in the car chases would always be nice.

I'd also agree with the idea of the driver losing juice for plowing through the fruit stand / running over the little kid.  It's a pretty clear "sacrifice the innocent to save your own skin" scenario that demands a juice reduction.  After all, if we lose juice for accidentally shooting an innocent, it makes sense that recklessly disregarding innocent civilians should also lead to a loss in juice.

And to add something actually helpful to this discussion: If you have less than two driving skill, swerving to avoid the fruit stand will always lead to your squad getting wiped out.  If you have five or more driving skill, you will likely succeed in avoiding the fruit stand, and the pursing car has a decent chance of wiping out.

Those are just some general rules of thumb from what I've observed.  Your milage may vary, and note the health of the liberal and the quality of the vehicle driven also influence these rolls.  Still, I doubt even a sportscar driven at less than two driving could safely avoid the fruit stand.

Regarding health, if your driver is near death, then expect most fancy driving moves to fail, such as avoiding the fruit stand.  Your liberal driver is too busy trying to keep breathing to pull off such fancy moves.

[G-Flex]

Perhaps the fruit stand encounter should be rewritten to be a little kid running out into your path, and you can either slam the brakes and swerve wildly (risking your life), or slam the horn and scream at the kid to move (risking the innocent bystander). It is how it is for legacy reasons -- it was the original random obstacle that Toady put in the game when he first made car chases.

Or, it could be rewritten to make it more clear what the risks are, if they aren't already, or possibly implement a greater number of encounters in addition to the fruit stand.

Personally, I think the fruit stand itself should stay in some form, since, well, it's a car chase. There has to be a fruit stand involved. That's one of those staples that is a staple to the point of movies mostly doing it half-ironically now.

[Neonivek]

I think what we also need are Newspaper Stands too where you can gain juice if it was full of conservative print... but running it over has a chance to get your windows covered by newspapers.

Also random boxes and crates.

Mind you I am not joking. I am aware the only reason there are fruit stands is because of hollywood law.

[SealyStar]

Maybe there could be a heart loss too, for gunning it through the stands. Killing poor fruitsellers trying to sell enough to survive? Sounds conservative to me.

[EuchreJack]

Besides, what kind of person peddles fruit directly to the consumer, instead of selling it to the big, nasty corporations?  A Liberal, that's who.

So, that fruit stand vendor is a liberal ally!

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Personally, I think the fruit stand itself should stay in some form, since, well, it's a car chase. There has to be a fruit stand involved. That's one of those staples that is a staple to the point of movies mostly doing it half-ironically now.

Agreed. The aspect of having a fruit stand is what is critically important here. It wouldn't be in most games, but this is LCS, we have to operate under Hollywood Rules.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

I see the indispensability of fruit stands to the game. Still, their consequences ought to be made clear. Perhaps the fruit stand be described as "flimsy", and roll in advance whether you'll kill someone from driving through; if you will, mention the fruit seller's eyes going wide as he sees the oncoming car. Something in the description of the option to avoid it that indicates the risk... then a somewhat greater chance of success for unskilled drivers, combined with near-miss descriptions, like "the squad is thrown in their seats as the Blue 1976 Station Wagon tilts precariously, nearly flipping as it swerves violently to avoid the fruit stand". And of course, consequences beyond a murder charge for killing pedestrians in car chases.