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Author Topic: Gunman Opens Fire at Midnight Batman Release - 14 Dead, more Critically-Wounded  (Read 52198 times)

kaijyuu

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I thought he was a secret agent.
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RK is the US government. But I can't tell you that because then he'd have to try and kill me.
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I don't think the statistics really match what you're trying to say - that European gun laws don't work.

I'm not saying that, I'm saying that they're not quite as effective as one might think, and that it really wouldn't work in America because... have you seen the people with guns around here?

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Actually, Red King is really one of our agents, having infiltrated the local governmental structure to facilitate the rise of our cause. Eventually. We shall prevail. All hail the Glorious Republican Democracy of Greater Carolina. Which we will get around to one of these days.
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Anyone else think based on the information released about the shooter that this could be an effort at "suicide by cop" that went wrong?

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Nah, he'd have just pulled out a gun in front of a cop rather than in a dark cinema at midnight. Maybe he was prepared to die, but wanted the infamy too. And didn't he have bodyarmor?

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Anyone else think based on the information released about the shooter that this could be an effort at "suicide by cop" that went wrong?
I would doubt suicide by cop. This is a pretty bad way to go about that, what with the whole attacking a large group of unarmed civilians with a massive arsenal, instead of the usual pulling an empty pistol on the first cop one finds.
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Probably easier to step out in front of a bus or something anyway. The "suicide by cop" thing usually only happens when they're already in a bad situation with the police and don't feel like facing the world for it.
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For, in order that men should resist injustice, something more is necessary than that they should think injustice unpleasant. They must think injustice absurd; above all, they must think it startling. They must retain the violence of a virgin astonishment. When the pessimist looks at any infamy, it is to him, after all, only a repetition of the infamy of existence. But the optimist sees injustice as something discordant and unexpected, and it stings him into action.

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Hmm, yea, there does seem to be an element of "I'll show them - they will never forget about me..."

kaijyuu

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And we won't. We'll curse his name every time they search us at the theatre entrance for guns, and they instead find our hidden stashes of candy.
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Do they test these things for functionality?
I'd hope they wouldn't try to trigger explosives until they're neutralized.

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Actually, Red King is really one of our agents, having infiltrated the local governmental structure to facilitate the rise of our cause. Eventually. We shall prevail. All hail the Glorious Republican Democracy of Greater Carolina. Which we will get around to one of these days.

Shit, I leave for 30 minutes to track down Dr. Loboto in his underwater Brain-Dome go to Arby's and all this happens. I actually needed the chuckle, thanks guys.

For the record, I am (though not for much longer) a government contractor who does technical support for the Bureau of Alco_hol, Toba_cco, Fire_arms and Explos_ives (also known as "Party in a Box"...broke up the words so this doesn't show up on a random Google search and earn me a call from IA). Said support often extends into coordinating resource deployment when the fecal matter impacts the rotary air circulator. Although I've had remarkably little to do with it this time around. Denver guys seem to have their shit screwed on straight, and it's during the week. The Giffords thing was on a weekend, when there's a lot less staff and more of the shit falls through to guys like me.

That said, my position does give me a much more close-up view of the trials and tribulations of trying to get any kind of loose grip on the umpteen million legal firearms out there in the US, much less the untold millions of illegal ones.

As to the bomb thing, they'll most likely use some rather sophisticated camera-arm things to get as much of it recorded as possible, figure out how it's *supposed* to work, then figure out how to safely disassemble it. Then they'll take the parts back to one of two labs, put it back together according to the recordings, and see if it actually did work. Those guys have the best fucking job. It's like Mythbusters with *more* explosions. Reason for this being, if someone has come up with a novel explosive/incendiary design you'd like to know about it in case they shared it with others and you start seeing that design pop up elsewhere. One of my favorite things I ever did was help decoding the videostream output from a CAT scanner, after they had secured an IED out of a car and taken it to a hospital to have the internal structure scanned. They had already figured out it was inert, but I still would have hated to have been the poor CAT scanner tech that had to help them with that one. Dude must have been shitting construction-grade bricks.
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Anyone else notice Republican bloggers & forumites pushing this idea that the shooter is a Democrat?
Even though their own sources who initiated the theory say this has been disproved.

This is the source and redaction:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/20/Exclusive-Dark-Knight-Shooting-Suspect-James-Holmes-Registered-Democrat

"Newly-released information on the suspect's birthdate (which, as indicated in our initial report, was a slight mismatch), combined with new details Breitbart News has obtained about the suspect's likely addresses, together suggest that the suspect may, in fact, not have been registered to vote"

There's quite a few blogs etc now which still say he's proven to be a Democrat.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2012, 12:27:33 pm by Reelya »
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kaijyuu

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I'm actually kinda wondering if he's an anarchist. One I know had a little rant a while back about this movie, saying it should be boycotted. Raging against Hollywood and big corporations, and all that.
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For, in order that men should resist injustice, something more is necessary than that they should think injustice unpleasant. They must think injustice absurd; above all, they must think it startling. They must retain the violence of a virgin astonishment. When the pessimist looks at any infamy, it is to him, after all, only a repetition of the infamy of existence. But the optimist sees injustice as something discordant and unexpected, and it stings him into action.
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