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[Leafsnail]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Europe

Is this meant to be relevant to anything?  The only thing of interest I can see is that wikipedia apparently regards people who killed noone as "rampage killers".

[Aqizzar]

Sorry, that was perhaps uncalled for...but it does seem like this is a bit of "missing white girl" syndrome.

Scale does have something to do with it, and that a drunk guy shooting up a bar isn't that "unusual", and yes the fact that no one died.  I can hardly be expected to be sympathetic about something I hadn't heard of, and I don't think that's my fault.

This is going to echo for a while.

I don't see why. Mass murder is terrible, of course, but this stuff is hardly unheard of.

More in the sense that The Dark Knight is now permanently linked to it (even if it just turns into one of those weird footnotes by the end of the year), and the next time there's a dark blockbuster coming out people will wryly ask, "Hey you think anyone's going to shoot up the theater?"

[Putnam]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Europe

Is this meant to be relevant to anything?  The only thing of interest I can see is that wikipedia apparently regards people who killed noone as "rampage killers".

Derrick Bird, Age 52, killed 12 and injured 11 on 2 June, 2010, in the U.K with a gun. In Belgium, Nordine Amrani killed 6 and injured 125 in 2011.

I'm trying to say that easy access to guns doesn't cause mass shootings. They'll happen regardless.

[ChairmanPoo]

IIRC the what's-his-name (Brenn? Brinn? Anders Breivik ) Finnish Norwegian neonazi who shot that summer camp is still ahead as far as bloody statistics go...
What surprises me is that (thankfully) he seems to be the exception rather than the rule. It's kind of surprising that these spree killers rarely kill more than one or two dozen people. I would think that with access to firearms they would be more destructive than they end up being.

[RedKing]

Sorry, that was perhaps uncalled for...but it does seem like this is a bit of "missing white girl" syndrome.

Scale does have something to do with it, and that a drunk guy shooting up a bar isn't that "unusual", and yes the fact that no one died.  I can hardly be expected to be sympathetic about something I hadn't heard of, and I don't think that's my fault.

That's my point...you hadn't heard of it because the news outlets didn't make a big deal out of it. 17 wounded is still pretty a pretty damn impressive barfight. It got some play on FOX, but probably got pushed out of the limelight by the political bitchfest. But of course this....THIS....will make gun control suddenly relevant to the Presidential campaign. Because this is America....where we only give a shit about gun control when people die in unusually large concentrations, and even then only for a few months.  (Yeah, I'm not starting off the day in a good mood.)

More in the sense that The Dark Knight is now permanently linked to it (even if it just turns into one of those weird footnotes by the end of the year), and the next time there's a dark blockbuster coming out people will wryly ask, "Hey you think anyone's going to shoot up the theater?"

I'm more concerned about copycats *this* year. And of course, the security overload that will follow in order to head off copycats. "Can I see your ticket, and can you bend over and spread 'em?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Europe

Is this meant to be relevant to anything?  The only thing of interest I can see is that wikipedia apparently regards people who killed noone as "rampage killers".

Derrick Bird, Age 52, killed 12 and injured 11 on 2 June, 2010, in the U.K with a gun. In Belgium, Nordine Amrani killed 6 and injured 125 in 2011.

*slow clap* Yes, Europeans can manage to be lethal on occasion too. They've certainly had centuries' more practice, even if we're more prodigious at it. Do we really need to get into this "Which continent is more dangerous?" pissing match every time?

[Putnam]

Both those countries have relatively strict gun control, I'm saying.

[miauw62]

Yeah, you need a license for guns in Belgium. But then there's illegal gun dealing.
I think barely any normal people that dont have intentions to go on a rampage actually have guns in belgium.

[Leafsnail]

People sometimes die even if they have their seatbelt on, so wearing a seatbelt in a car is pointless.

[Darvi]

People sometimes die even if they have their seatbelt on, so wearing a seatbelt in a car is pointless.

Finally somebody who gets my point!

[Putnam]

Your analogy is based on the false premise that gun control, like a seatbelt, is mechanical. It is not. It has a human element to it. Gun control is a good idea, but is it good in practice? Good intentions do not always make good results.

(I can see that I start leaning farther right than my normal... leftishness when I stay awake for too long )

[RedKing]

Let's not do this. Not again. Especially over top of the still-fresh corpses. I will NOT be a happy camper.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I agree, gun control debates are one of the few topics that tend to spiral out of control on Bay 12 in a bad way. Most just spiral out of control in a good way.

[Putnam]

Yeah, let's stop now. Just stop, especially since I'm partially incoherent at this point. I've never stayed awake this long before >_>

Heck, topics like this can cause problems--it's major news, sure, but this could go just as well in the sad thread or somesuch.

[scriver]

I propose we legislate gun control discussion control to deal with this issue.

[RedKing]

I propose we legislate gun control discussion control to deal with this issue.

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