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[methylatedspirit]

I realize that Excel is Turing-complete (which is about as anything as you can get), but it doesn't mean it's the right tool for the job. Brainfuck is Turing-complete, but good luck doing anything with that! (Oh, and Excel has lambda functions now. Have fun!)

I'd say Python would work, but I have hammer syndrome, as in "If all you have is a hammer..."

[Frumple]

If coding is involved, it's more pain than I'm looking for

... literally. Trying to puzzle out how to put together programming languages tends to give me a pretty nasty headache. Just reading it generally isn't that bad but the next step hurts.

[Secretdorf]

Python is fairly easy. Or maybe i learnt the easy part only.

[methylatedspirit]

I'd wager a guess that Python is about the easiest programming language that can actually do things, that serious people use. I've heard it's used a lot in data science and (the front-end, non-performance-critical portions of) major websites specifically because it's easy to work with. It's not a language you should use for speed (it's interpreted, not compiled), but developer time tends to be more important than speed nowadays.

[Yellow Pixel]

Oh, and Excel has lambda functions now. Have fun!

Yes

[methylatedspirit]

For those of you who play games on controller, are your movements on the analog stick(s) smooth or jerky? Do you just move them always all the way, or do you exert finer control over the 'sticks than that?

I'm asking because I play almost all games on keyboard + mouse. I'm playing Breath of the Wild (emulated Wii U) with an Xbox 360 controller, and I'm constantly noticing that I tend to just slam the sticks fully in the direction I want to go. No smoothing, no intermediate positions, just *slam*. Very keyboard-esque, where you simply don't have any more control over the movement keys than "on" and "off".

[wierd]

It can be fairly smooth, if you have a good analog stick with a small deadzone. The issue is that the deadzone makes the fine precision aiming not nearly as quick as with a mouse.  If you like to just bust into the room with a shotgun, and spatter some mooks on the walls like a Jackson Polluck painting, it's fine.  If you do sniper stuff, you had better damned sure have some auto-aim magic going on, because you are NOT going to get accurate picking in a fast manner.

[Egan_BW]

For camera control, sure, you'll sometimes want to tilt the stick only slightly. For character movement, you almost always want to go full tilt, and the times when you don't usually it means the controls are janky and hard to use. For example the analogue face buttons used in MGS2 and 3. Press slightly to aim, but if you apply the slightest amount too much pressure you'll open fire and too little will make you go back to not aiming. It sucks.

Analogue inputs are difficult for the player to finely control. For a modern, well-designed game, they'll generally not be super important for that reason. And also because almost every game have to accommodate WASD, I suppose.

[methylatedspirit]

It can be fairly smooth, if you have a good analog stick with a small deadzone. The issue is that the deadzone makes the fine precision aiming not nearly as quick as with a mouse.  If you like to just bust into the room with a shotgun, and spatter some mooks on the walls like a Jackson Polluck painting, it's fine.  If you do sniper stuff, you had better damned sure have some auto-aim magic going on, because you are NOT going to get accurate picking in a fast manner.

And that frustrates me. I love playing sniper/stealth builds! Being able to kill enemies from afar without them noticing you at all is cathartic. My reflexes are poor at best, so that is the only thing that gives me the upper hand. I feel weak in BoTW because I can't snipe enemies easily.

[Egan_BW]

The motion controls actually help a good deal with aiming precision, I think it's better than using the stick alone. Not sure if there's way you can set that up with emulation though, or if the 360 controller even has a gyroscope.

[methylatedspirit]

360 controllers don't have gyroscopes, no. Even if they did, it's not exposed in the input APIs, so it would be as good as useless. Cemu (the emulator I'm using) does support motion controls if you have something like a PS4 controller, mind you; it's just my controller that doesn't have any.

An inelegant workaround is possible: In Cemu, gyroscope emulation is bound to the right mouse button, and then moving it as desired. That's a pain in the ass to work with if I'm aiming my bow, considering I'm holding down R2 (bound to ZR) with my left hand, and then holding down RMB with my right. It doesn't feel like any mouse controls I've ever used, but it does work better than fiddling with the analog stick.

Either that, or I'll have to get my phone involved to provide motion controls. I'd still have to handle two separate things, so I'd just be moving the problem around, but not actually fixing it. I'm hoping I don't have to do anything more involved with the gyro later on, 'else I'd be done for.

[Vector]

For those of you who play games on controller, are your movements on the analog stick(s) smooth or jerky? Do you just move them always all the way, or do you exert finer control over the 'sticks than that?

I'm asking because I play almost all games on keyboard + mouse. I'm playing Breath of the Wild (emulated Wii U) with an Xbox 360 controller, and I'm constantly noticing that I tend to just slam the sticks fully in the direction I want to go. No smoothing, no intermediate positions, just *slam*. Very keyboard-esque, where you simply don't have any more control over the movement keys than "on" and "off".

Smooth, I'm not much of a button-masher, and sometimes I like for the character to walk instead of run. I use the Logitech 310.

I always had KB&M except for the past 5 years, though. I tend to switch between control schemas based on what seems the most natural. I find precision platforming on a controller a lot easier and if I'm playing a game with any shooting it definitely has to be a mouse.

[Frumple]

The few times I can't avoid using a stick (I've largely disliked it since PSX/N64 days, tbh, maybe even earlier 'cause joysticks in general kinda' suck to me, even arcade or atari or whatever), it... varies, whether it's smooth or quick, depending on what I'm doing. Trends smooth when possible just out of a desire to go easy on the controller, but sometimes you gotta' do a smash attack, y'know?

[hector13]

I’m usually trying to be smooth if I’m doing something like aiming, but when it comes to movement it’s much less fine.

[King Zultan]

Who needs a 360 controller when you have a touch pad on a laptop.