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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #8490 on: August 29, 2022, 07:39:44 pm »

I mean, I can see asexual fitting because it's a deviation from the "norm" (ie cishet), as it were. Kind of like how you can include atheism in the whole category of beliefs, notable due to it being an absence thereof. Dunno about aromantic mind.

I suppose it might just be "Old man woman yells questions at cloud" here and I just don't really get it.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #8491 on: August 29, 2022, 10:09:56 pm »

Eh, demisexual (at least as I can parse it from a check) is also very much a deviation from the "norm" -- common sexuality is absolutely capable of arousal/sexual attraction without a prior close emotional attachment (e.g. porn exists, folks get horny over people they don't have close attachment to all the time). If asexual counts due to the abnormality facet (and it deffo seems to, nevermind other considerations), demisexual counts, yeah?

... I can see the argument for aromantic being a maybe (if you squint, it doesn't have anything, technically speaking, with sexuality, assuming you're using a very constrained and specific consideration of relationships), but especially considering its function as a modifier, well... close enough? Does it hurt somehow to allow for aro folks in the LGBTetc sphere? Not like they're not going to have their share of troubles when it comes to interacting with more standard sexual/relationship configurations.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #8492 on: August 30, 2022, 12:21:27 pm »

I've only really heard of aromanticism only in terms of people who are already asexual, as a way to be more specific about their asexuality.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #8493 on: August 30, 2022, 02:15:47 pm »

You know, now that you mention it, I've never heard of a person who sleeps around yet identifies as aromatic. Those who sleep around always talk about settling down eventually.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #8494 on: August 30, 2022, 02:46:02 pm »

You know, now that you mention it, I've never heard of a person who sleeps around yet identifies as aromatic. Those who sleep around always talk about settling down eventually.
Part of me thinks people who are really Like That don't really want to admit they're Like That
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« Reply #8495 on: August 30, 2022, 02:54:57 pm »

You know, now that you mention it, I've never heard of a person who sleeps around yet identifies as aromatic. Those who sleep around always talk about settling down eventually.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #8496 on: August 30, 2022, 03:06:03 pm »

That's most religious young people (if their religion has chastity laws).
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #8497 on: August 30, 2022, 03:12:10 pm »

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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #8498 on: August 30, 2022, 04:35:20 pm »

You know, now that you mention it, I've never heard of a person who sleeps around yet identifies as aromatic. Those who sleep around always talk about settling down eventually.
I've seen a few folks that claimed aromatic on its own over the years. Some folks do like them some sex while just not growing romantically attached to folks in the process. It doesn't necessarily mean they won't settle down, though... cohabitation, even with a sexual component, doesn't require romantic attachment, et al. Just about every reason to live with someone is still there even if you're not in a romantic relationship with 'em.

That said, it's definitely been quite rare to see. Most folks that aren't capable of forming attachments like that also aren't particularly interested in sex to begin with, so... most of the time you see aro, you seem to also see ace, even moreso than the reverse. Plenty of what's left (probably reasonably, same as with a lot of sexual/romantic/gender minorities under plenty of circumstances) assume it's not a good idea to admit it, too. There's a lot of winnowing going on until you reach the conflux of aromantic willing to self-identify as one in... well, most conversations, really (and especially relatively public ones).
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #8499 on: August 30, 2022, 08:45:37 pm »

You know, now that you mention it, I've never heard of a person who sleeps around yet identifies as aromatic. Those who sleep around always talk about settling down eventually.
Part of me thinks people who are really Like That don't really want to admit they're Like That
This is a big part of why I'm accepting of aromantic people as... "queer".  There's stigma against it, but the only actual problem comes from that stigma preventing communication.  That's relatable.

Meanwhile I feel asexual but I'm in a lovely relationship.  Different people are different.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #8500 on: August 31, 2022, 07:59:35 am »

Hey, man. I work in translations. Guess what all the machine translators have been training on without any credit or compensation. The AI simply catches up with other areas where intellectual property is the product of one's labour. For years I've been fretting that the industry is about to collapse any day now. But it keeps chugging along, seemingly at the same pace as before the AI. Even integrating some of the machine capabilities into the human translator's workflow.
Still, it's hard to make a solid argument that it'll stay that way.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #8501 on: August 31, 2022, 09:31:07 am »

translating through GT over writing your own thing in first place just gives you some more trouble.
By and large that's how it is. Speaking for myself here.
If I want to do the translation properly, it takes me at worst the same amount of time to type the text myself while I go over it in my head with a certain view of how it should look, how the sentences should flow - which is mostly done intuitively. Reading the machine translation, reading the source, translating the source, comparing the two translations and pondering whether the AI-supplied version is unacceptable, could be improved, or is just written in a different style to yours, is more busy work, mentally taxing, and breaks the flow. Even if there's little to correct in the end. And if you try to cut corners - just skim it for obvious errors - you end up with an unreliable franken-text that you shouldn't be charging anyone for (but I know some people do - there are hacks in every profession).
In short - more work or lower quality. Sometimes both.

Sometimes you get clients who try to pull a 'I don't want to pay a full rate so just correct this GT-spewed text, lol' on you. Or better yet, supply you with an English text that was obviously machine-translated from, say, Chinese, and ask you to produce a sensible result in a third language. We are not fond of those people.

But machine translations can be integrated with the workflow more sensibly than just using GT wholesale. Professionals these days tend to use industry-specific software to manage their work (Trados, MemQ), which can use machine translators to provide suggestions as you type or if you're stuck on some passage. The way I see it, these are more like all those fancy smart tools in Photoshop or some such, that an artist may use to speed up or improve their work.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #8502 on: August 31, 2022, 01:46:57 pm »

When I worked in Japan, I often got the Google Translate output and no original source, which made both learning Japanese and understand what they needed/wanted (this even occured at my job there) much much harder. At least with the source you can figure out where the GT sentence fell apart and look at those words specifically. It got to a point where I'd spoof that I was better at reading than I was, just so I'd get the original text.

Luckily, here in China, people have no confidence in their equivalents (baidu translate, which is fucking terrible, and bing translate, which is bad) and also, don't care if it's translated or not, and will leave that up to the reciever to figure out.

I've often wondered if it'd be much different if I was working in the same language family, like Spanish or German.

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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #8503 on: August 31, 2022, 02:29:55 pm »

Google Translate? I thought people were using something called DeepL for translations nowadays
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« Reply #8504 on: August 31, 2022, 02:39:56 pm »

Same shit, really.
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