Statement 0 (straight from the Bible): God exists.
Statement 1 (also from the Bible): God is omniscient.
Statement 2 (also from the Bible): God is omnipotent.
Statement 3 (also from the Bible): God created the universe.
Statement 4 (concluded from 1 and 3): When God created the universe, God was omniscient.
Statement 5 (specialization of 1): God knows the past, present and future of every imaginable universe.
Statement 6 (specialization of 2): God could have created every imaginable universe.
Statement 7 (concluded from 3, 4 and our existence): From all the universes God could create, God created this one.
Statement 8 (concluded from 5, 6 and 7): God knowingly chose to create this universe so this past, present and future would happen.
Statement 9 (concluded from 8): God decided all our actions.
Statement 10 (concluded from 9): We have no free will.
Wrong, once again, you misuse the bible
Statement 7 is where you fail most, where at all dose it say he did not create them all? and only made ours?
Aha, but I never specified that God created this universe only, it isn't necessary to conclude Statement 10.
Also, if "misusing the bible" refers to applying correct logic, then I must be correct (not, as you state, wrong). Can you show me where else I'm "wrong"?
You also assume that god knowing of all possible universes, means ours is premeditated, for all we know its not, we have free will, he dose not decide, he just can see "past" this universe, and past this "derision" if you will and see all choices we ever could make, it dont mean he knows we will make this one or that one, or if he dose, it dont mean he makes us pick it
we still pick it
Even if there is one unversed, it don't mean he picks because nothing says he dont see all the pathways and we pick which ever we want, heck there could be an ifnite amount of paths and he could still see them all
An example, my mom KNEW I would pick the new guitar, cause she knows me so well, she knew before it happen, and saw it coming, dose that mean she picked for me? NO
Well, God differs from your mom that he picked the version of you that picked the guitar, and not the version of you that didn't. So God decided to make you so you pick the guitar, effectively deciding whether you pick the guitar or not. Your mom can't do that.
heck it could be like time travel, he sees the future, say a caveman goes in to the future and sees GW become president, it dont mean he picks for us
A time traveller sees the future. God picks out the future.
Since you say that no-one knows if he exists, you concede that there is no evidence for God.
In that case, why do people know about him? Who was the first person to believe in God, and why did he start believing? Since there is no evidence, he must have made it all up.
this logic fails so bad
No one knew at one time if the world was round, why did people believe it was not? who was the first person to think it? and why did thet? since there is no evinced of it (to them back then) it must be made up
Correct? of course not.
At first, people looked at the ground, and seeing that it certainly looks flat, they took that as
evidence that the whole world is flat (and since nobody had contrary evidence, they were fine with believing that).
Then, people started taking closer looks at the moon, the sun and the stars from different points on Earth, finding
evidence for the fact that the world is actually round. Smart people accepted the evidence (Babylonians, Mayans, Galileo etc).
Others refused to accept.See how those people always have had a good reason to think stuff? Now see how this doesn't apply to God?
Just because you cant prove something dont mean its made up
Sure it does.
We cant prove that there is life on other planets
Why do people know about life on other planets? who was the first person to? and why?
no evinced? made up
Well, since there is life on our planet, and since there are other planets, it is only natural to believe that other planets have life too. A few centuries ago, people generally believed that there was life on
every planet (also the moon), since all planets with testable inhabitation status (read: Earth) were inhabited.
Thats sort of how I feel but with why there is a God, I dont think evreything would fit the way it dose if there was no God, all of these laws of physics etc?
they happen to work all over?
I just feel like it was made by SOMETHING intelligent, may be a turtle, may be aliens (in a which came first the chicken or the egg way)
Okay, you say it was something intelligent. But why in the world would that be exactly the narcisstic split-personality no-sense-of-priority devil-blaming eccentric-rule-inventing vengeful-but-all-forgiving christian God?