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[Leafsnail]

calm down and cut the insults or stop arguing.

Woah now, no-one except you has been calling others Hitler-people.

[10ebbor10]

Incidentally, how do the local religious fanatics explain the living standards of the west as opposed to their own?

The same as all the others. The "Evil" west is manipulating third world countries, setting them up against each other, and exploiting them for their resources.

And, if you look at recent history (Cold war), you can't really blame them for thinking that.

[Scoops Novel]

Why'd god let us do that again?

[10ebbor10]

Why'd god let us do that again?

Because he's not the interventionist God you think him to be. Also, because you didn't listen.

[Reelya]

is God all-knowing and all-powerful? Then, he must already know the future of the world before he created it. So it's all on his shoulders, all the suffering, everything.  An all-powerful and all-knowing God could have created the "finished" beings without the need for "trials" on Earth, just by thinking about it, God could see exactly what those beings would be, and create them already-finished, with implanted memories.

[Helgoland]

Woah now, no-one except you has been calling others Hitler-people.

I think that's just descriptive of the topic - at least I don't feel even the slightest bit insulted.

is God all-knowing and all-powerful? Then, he must already know the future of the world before he created it. So it's all on his shoulders, all the suffering, everything.  An all-powerful and all-knowing God could have created the "finished" beings without the need for "trials" on Earth, just by thinking about it, God could see exactly what those beings would be, and create them already-finished, with implanted memories.

And you just discovered theodicy. Enjoy a complimentary SMBC that explains the various ways to answer it quite well:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2292

[10ebbor10]

Are we truly human without pain, without suffering, without anger. A world without all these emotions might look like an utopia, but it might actually be a nightmare. A bleak distillment of all those things that make humanity great. (Note that I don't want  to justify any or all bad things in the world)

That being said, the Christian god certainly isn't the most powerfull God. He got nailed to a cross remember. But however, what if we assume that God is indeed all powerfull. WHat prevents him of having created use, exactly 5 seconds ago, with all our memories being completely false, and with none of what we have remembered actually having happened.

Even more, all this are, again, quasi litteral intrepretations. It's perfectly possible to believe in God/ Christianity/ [Insert religion here] without believing in Creationism, or that God actually physically exists as a being capable of interaction with this world.

Note: We did do this one already, several times.

[Scoops Novel]

According to fanatics, 10ebbor10.

[penguinofhonor]

Woah now, no-one except you has been calling others Hitler-people.

I think that's just descriptive of the topic - at least I don't feel even the slightest bit insulted.

I'm pretty sure it was a joke.

[alexandertnt]

Are we truly human without pain, without suffering, without anger.

Yes.

Couldn't God have just created us with the ability to be "human" without these traits? It did define what "human" is, afterall.

That being said, the Christian god certainly isn't the most powerfull God.

Depends who you ask.

[Realmfighter]

Are we truly human without pain, without suffering, without anger. A world without all these emotions might look like an utopia, but it might actually be a nightmare. A bleak distillment of all those things that make humanity great. (Note that I don't want  to justify any or all bad things in the world)

So basically what you're saying is that believing in God sends you to a nightmare, while turning your back on him sends you to a paradise relative to the "Bleak distillment of all those things that make humanity great"?

[EveryZig]

Are we truly human without pain, without suffering, without anger. A world without all these emotions might look like an utopia, but it might actually be a nightmare. A bleak distillment of all those things that make humanity great. (Note that I don't want  to justify any or all bad things in the world)

A perfect world is indeed quite likely self-contradictory, but it is also not necessary for this to be a challenge to the 3 omnis. The only thing you need for that is the possibility of a better world, a possibility that I think is established by how people can sometimes succeed in working towards one.

And free will doesn't get you very far in justifying the state of the world, as there are plenty of bad events (tornados, floods, BEES) that are not caused by people.

That being said, the Christian god certainly isn't the most powerfull God. He got nailed to a cross remember.

Being nailed to a cross doesn't say anything about how powerful he is. It is a well established part of their doctrine that the cross bit was because he is into that sort of thing he chose to do it because it is a step in forgiving some humans in his bizarre system of god-logic.

[Micro102]

So, interesting topic I saw brought upon some youtube video somewhere. This guy said that Christianity is the only religion where you can't earn heaven, but you have to simply turn away from sin and trust in Jesus' sacrifice alone, and that's why it's better to believe in that religion.

[Eagle_eye]

I'm pretty sure the Baghavad Gita or some other Hindu scripture says you'll break out of the cycle of reincarnation just by focusing on Krishna when you die

[Starver]

So, interesting topic I saw brought upon some youtube video somewhere. This guy said that Christianity is the only religion where you can't earn heaven, but you have to simply turn away from sin and trust in Jesus' sacrifice alone, and that's why it's better to believe in that religion.

<Snort through nose sound>

Good job I wasn't drinking at the time, or that would definitely have been a C|N>K moment.

Much apart from priestly absolutions, paid-for Indulgences and the like, in Christianity's case, I've a feeling[1] that he's probably a Christian by birth, through life, and almost entirely through association (and within a sub-set of one of Christianity's various flavours, at that) who just doesn't know much more than the "official line" as brought forth by his pastor/priest/vicar/whatever, and has never seriously looked into what any other creed thinks...


You gotta love those kind of people.  Well, except for WBC, for whom I general reserve either laughter or a facepalming whenever I hear of their various activities.


[1] Although don't care to trawl through YouTube to get an eyeball on the guy's full submission to substantiate myself.  So you're going to have to allow me this little assumption...