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[Leafsnail]

Anyway, didn't Jesus died to redeem us of our sin? So didn't he die so that gay could have all the steamy, dirty, slimy gay sex they want?

This doesn't make sense.  If Jesus were to pardon us of all sins forever that would equally leave murderers free to murder all they liked.

[malloc]

This doesn't make sense.

Well, we are talking about scripture..
Beside the those few "peace and love" parts, most of it is insane, at least seen with a modern set of morals and understanding of the world.

[Il Palazzo]

It's been a while, but wasn't Jesus' sacrifice specifically about redeeming humanity for their original sin, i.e.the apple affair?

[Askot Bokbondeler]

the original sin idea is posthumous to christ, so that would be open to debate

[LordExumius]

So basically, he's forgiving us for something that never happened?

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, this Jesus.

[Cthulhu]

When I was a Christian, this was my school of thought.

The Law of Moses still applies, but as Jesus said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.  If you haven't fulfilled the Law in its entirety (You haven't, it's impossible) then you aren't qualified to judge others for their failures. 

I was also of the school of thought that homosexuality was a mistranslation.  Notably, where laws against stuff like murder are explicit, there is no explicit condemnation of two men falling in love (In fact there's a good argument to be made that David and Jonathan were gay together).  It's always in some kind of context, usually involving shrine prostitution or rituals to Pagan gods.

As for teaching, I'm fine with people teaching others religion, including their kids.  Telling them not to proselytize is kind of silly and useless.  If they're being terroristic about it though, scaring the shit out of their kids and protesting people's funerals, that's not cool.

Remember:  Indoctrination is just education you don't like.

[LordExumius]

Remember:  Indoctrination is just education you don't like.

What I especially hate is when parents tell their children "You are a Christian" or "You are a Muslim" and then proceed to indoctrinate them to believe that for the rest of their life. That is child abuse. Plain and simple. Children should be encouraged to think for themselves.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Remember:  Indoctrination is just education you don't like.

I disagree. Indoctrination is inducting someone into a doctrine so that they won't leave it. If you educate someone properly, their doctrines and opinions will be flexible and reality-based instead of self-perpetuating.

[Leafsnail]

Remember:  Indoctrination is just education you don't like.

Not really.  Education tends to be evidence based (and ultimately involves telling the students about that evidence) if it's about how the world is.  Passing on your personal faith is not.

[kaijyuu]

Education is about objective things, indoctrination is about subjective things. I won't go into nitpicking what actually counts as "objective" and "subjective" though (depends on the axioms agreed upon beforehand)

[Leafsnail]

Actually no, that's completely wrong.  The earth being flat or round is a matter of objective reality (in fact so is whether any given god exists), but if I taught my child that the earth is flat and that they had to believe it in spite of all evidence to the contrary that would be indoctrination.  You can also educate someone on subjective matters such as art, as long as you're teaching them how to make their work look better according to almost universally accepted subjective standards.

[Il Palazzo]

Indoctrination is like a Sith Lord - it's dealing with absolutes.

[LordExumius]

Indoctrination is like a Sith Lord - it's dealing with absolutes.

I'm tempted to put up the image of the pope being compared to Emperor Palpatine.

[kaijyuu]

Actually no, that's completely wrong.  The earth being flat or round is a matter of objective reality (in fact so is whether any given god exists), but if I taught my child that the earth is flat and that they had to believe it in spite of all evidence to the contrary that would be indoctrination.  You can also educate someone on subjective matters such as art, as long as you're teaching them how to make their work look better according to almost universally accepted subjective standards.

Man, I really hate arguing semantics.

Your example does not disagree with what I said. An art teacher definitely can "educate" a student on those subjective standards, but they would be pointing out that these standards are subjective; IE, there are no hard rules, and all these standards and guidelines can and should be broken if appropriate. An art teacher can "indoctrinate" their students by trying to push hard rules on their students, saying there's one "right" way to do something.

So what Il Palazzo said: Indoctrination is teaching absolutes. My addendum would be "absolutes when applied to subjective concepts."

[alway]

Indoctrination is like a Sith Lord - it's dealing with absolutes.

I'm tempted to put up the image of the pope being compared to Emperor Palpatine.

Pfft, a single image doesn't do that comparison justice. Just do a google image search on "Emperor Popetine."