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Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« Reply #1845 on: December 26, 2012, 11:41:49 pm »

I'd agure that for the MOST part, this is non believes hearing
What the bible says women submit to their husbands? and claim it puts women like "property", but of course they dont read the next verse that says "men love and respect your wife's"
That is totally irrelevant. It puts women below men, regardless of how they're treated. You can be nice to your slaves too, but that doesn't justify slavery.
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When it comes to verses not being followed 99.9% of the time, its the non believers taking out of context, maybe some where there IS a verse, but all I've seen is those
There are literally hundreds of objectionable verses in the Bible, and all your yelling about context won't change that.
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Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« Reply #1846 on: December 26, 2012, 11:45:19 pm »

yes, you don't read later where Christ tells us new comadment is to love one another and that sin is now forgiving and that God and God alone punishes

the old covenant and the new covneat


Christ died so that instead of us having to die, or a sacrifice like an animal only he did, so WE dont die, you will find this in many of his preaches in the four gospels, but your not going to read the bible,. your going to read that part and  go "oh they don't follow that, thew PICK WHAT THEY WANT)

HE was the sacrifice, HE was punished for that sin

if you dont read the whole bible, its taken out of context, how would you like it if I took out of ALL your post bits one or two posts, would you say that's a fair way to "judge" what your about?


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1 But Jesus went to (A)the Mount of Olives. 2 Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and (B)He sat down and began to teach them. 3 The scribes and the Pharisees *brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, 4 they *said to Him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now in the Law (C)Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?” 6 They were saying this, (D)testing Him, (E)so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. 7 But when they persisted in asking Him, (F)He straightened up, and said to them, “(G)He who is without sin among you, let him be the (H)first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. 10 (I)Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11 She said, “No one, [a]Lord.” And Jesus said, “(J)I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on (K)sin no more.”]


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"15...we know that a person is not justifieda by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
17But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose" - Galatians 2:15-21


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By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
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so thats what... four right there? there are more



The law existed in a time where sin was punishable with death, it still is today, but Christ was the one punished.
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That is totally irrelevant. It puts women below men, regardless of how they're treated. You can be nice to your slaves too, but that doesn't justify slavery.
Except you will see that it DONT put women under men, anymore then it puts a kid under parents

men are called to protect women, in a time when they where needed, you would find Christ spoke to women as equals, never made a claim they had to "be under men" they where under men in the sense of under their protection and to be respected yes.


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There are literally hundreds of objectionable verses in the Bible, and all your yelling about context won't change that.
And no matter how many times you claim there is, it don't make it true either now dose it?
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Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« Reply #1847 on: December 26, 2012, 11:46:59 pm »

One side believes you can find your purpose in life and the meaning of everything by following the Bible. Other side believes you can do the same by following the Pope's (who has a huge hat) interpretation of the Bible. Ultimately they both follow the Bible, so I say the difference is minor.
Well yeah, their doctrines are very similar, but the organizations are quite different, which is more what I was getting at. Do Protestant denominations even have an organization? I think it's more of a loose affiliation. Plus all those beautiful chants and masses and requiems were written for the Catholics. Can't say I'm nearly as enthusiastic about Gospel music.
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Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« Reply #1848 on: December 26, 2012, 11:57:10 pm »

I find the whole Christ-Dying-For-Others-Sins objectionable. Scapegoats are bad no matter how you slice it. Someone else taking the blame is not justice.

Not only that, but I find the idea of (most) sins objectionable. Especially original sin.
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Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« Reply #1849 on: December 26, 2012, 11:58:44 pm »

It's only  objectionable if there is no God.

if he is God if he says it then it is.

if you don't believe then the point is mute anyways
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Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« Reply #1850 on: December 27, 2012, 12:02:00 am »

I say it's minor since you just disagree on which bits of the Bible you ought to follow.
I dunno, do Protestants and Catholics really seem all that similar to you? My impression of Protestantism is a lot of bombast and hellfire, whereas my impression of Catholicism is a lot of chants and arcane rituals. Also hats. Lotsa weird hats.
Well, we're not all fire and brimstone.  But those Catholics are all about them hats.  :P
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Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« Reply #1851 on: December 27, 2012, 12:04:45 am »

Except you will see that it DONT put women under men, anymore then it puts a kid under parents
Children are under their parents. They aren't lesser people, but children have to be guided so they may function as independents once they've reached adulthood. Grown women are none of these things.
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men are called to protect women,
Women don't need the "protection" of men. Indeed, you will find such condescending white knight attitudes are generally very annoying to modern women.
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you would find Christ spoke to women as equals,
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never made a claim they had to "be under men" they where under men in the sense of under their protection and to be respected yes.
Once again, women are not helpless cauliflowers that need the protection of big strong men.
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There are literally hundreds of objectionable verses in the Bible, and all your yelling about context won't change that.
And no matter how many times you claim there is, it don't make it true either now dose it?
Take your pick, then. There is, of course, no shortage of injustice.
Or perhaps we should stay on topic and look at misogyny. Then again, why be so specific when we can just look at all of the intolerance? But nothing gets quite so flat out crazy as the violence.

And don't go all "Old v. New Testament" on me. If you want just the New Testament examples, you need but scroll down.
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Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« Reply #1852 on: December 27, 2012, 12:13:14 am »

Protestants, catholics... It's boring.

In Ukraine we have 3 orthodox churches, 2 catholic ones,  way to many protestant missionaries from the west and some weird sects... Should I say that I tend to avoid all churches? It's all about money and politics, not about faith

What I dislike most is an attempt to make Christianity into the religion of pacifists. Christianity is a religion of warriors, religion of knights. Pacifists should stop ignoring big chunks of the Bible and just create a different religion for themselves
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Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« Reply #1853 on: December 27, 2012, 12:14:56 am »

Right.  Let's just disobey the Ten Commandments, shall we?
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I think the slaughter part is what made them angry.
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Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« Reply #1854 on: December 27, 2012, 12:15:56 am »

Or, we could set god on fire.
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Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« Reply #1855 on: December 27, 2012, 12:22:59 am »

Well clearly the injunction against killing only applied to the Israelites. Otherwise, y'know, the rest of the OT would have been called The Big Canaanite Tea Party. :p

Jesus seems to mostly be pretty pacifistic, though. Except for a couple of quotes.
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« Reply #1856 on: December 27, 2012, 12:23:55 am »

Christianity is a religion of warriors, religion of knights.
that's a good thing?

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Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« Reply #1857 on: December 27, 2012, 12:31:46 am »

Christianity is a religion of warriors, religion of knights.
that's a good thing?
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« Reply #1858 on: December 27, 2012, 12:36:38 am »

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« Reply #1859 on: December 27, 2012, 12:44:47 am »

Right.  Let's just disobey the Ten Commandments, shall we?
Should I stop eating meat to not kill animals? Should I stop eating at all to not kill plants? Is it a sin to kill bacterias in our body?

No! Because the Bible clearly say "You shall not murder."

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1.  The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

Noted the word unlawful? It's not a sin to kill lawfully. God allows that. He even bless that in many cases.
He ordered Jews to do that. He killed a lot himself.
He have a list of crimes that should be punished by death.
He allows eye for eye revenge and that includes killing in many cases

As I said, pacifists should choose some different religion

Christianity is a religion of warriors, religion of knights.
that's a good thing?
Sure. No nation can survive without warriors
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