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[Ogdibus]

Probably just "on something".  Posts from earlier today were very coherent.

[Alpha Dwarf]

Probably just "on something".  Posts from earlier today were very coherent.

Voodoo yah? Mysticism is my true desire. Christ is neat to a point, until a Christian gets into the conversation, which is typically always.

[Leafsnail]

Alpha Dwarf: please don't post until you've either taken your meds or stopped taking your "meds".  Thanks.

[Descan]

Oh God. I think I'm starting to understand him.

ohgod.

[Alpha Dwarf]

Alpha Dwarf: please don't post until you've either taken your meds or stop taking your "meds".  Thanks.

Is that a mod? Punk? *ch'ckk

But the point is simple. Mine that is. God, may not be true, but that still won't tell us much. It won't tell us to enjoy life. Or hate it. Then again, who needs to be told why when we experience these things anyways.

[Toady One]

I've muted Alpha Dwarf for a week.  He/she is being reported everywhere for all sorts of things.

[Fenrir]

I'd certainly stand with you there, Fenrir. That third clause wasn't a requirement for anything, but just what I'd consider truth. Without Christ's Crucifixion, the only way to achieve salvation is by being perfect. He opened the door, but I don't think knowing that He opened it is a requirement for entry.

That still leaves us misunderstanding each other; we agree that faith in Christ shouldn’t be a requirement, but I can’t see why any sacrifice needed to happen at all. Nailing a man to a cross as a prerequisite for offering salvation is a complete non-sequitur.

[kaijyuu]

My understanding is that Christ was the first and only truly perfect person; THAT is what gave him the power to take upon the sins of the world (along with being, ya know, God's son and all that). The rest of his life (crucifixion/etc) were symbolic at best.


Anyway, you could argue any ritual is a non-sequitor, if you really wanted. What good does animal sacrifice do?

[Descan]

I would argue that actually, Kai!

[kaijyuu]

But maaagiiiicccc~

[Descan]

* Descan clings to your face.

[Rolepgeek]

In many religions(from what I know) in which animal sacrifice is present, it often has to do with a more recent idea on the level of feudalism; they protect you and are more powerful, therefore, you give up something to them so they will continue to do so, and not just smash you. From what I know, it's a matter of course, rarely part of rituals. Rituals which have that in it often have to do with the belief that the life force of the animal can be used to power the spell/whatever or appease the gods/whatever.

[Fenrir]

My understanding is that Christ was the first and only truly perfect person; THAT is what gave him the power to take upon the sins of the world (along with being, ya know, God's son and all that). The rest of his life (crucifixion/etc) were symbolic at best.

“Taking on the sins of the world,” doesn’t make any sense, and it does not matter who the sacrifice is. When I talk about my sins, I don’t mean things that I carry around and put down and give to other people. They are things I did. Jesus being nailed to a cross didn’t change that.

[Ogdibus]

My understanding is that Christ was the first and only truly perfect person; THAT is what gave him the power to take upon the sins of the world (along with being, ya know, God's son and all that). The rest of his life (crucifixion/etc) were symbolic at best.

Jesus was only as perfect as he needed to be... oh, wait...

Anyway, you could argue any ritual is a non-sequitor, if you really wanted. What good does animal sacrifice do?

I found this.  It looks like it's very dependent on religion and context, and agreement doesn't always exist within a religion.  I would have thought of it as either a bribe, or a "greeting card", otherwise.

Regarding, the sacrifice of Christ, it sounds like he atones for the sins of others.  Accepting him is accepting that he atones for your sins?  I'm not Christian, so I'm not very familiar with the idea.  It limits my ability to understand.

[Graknorke]

From what I gathered from 4 years in a Catholic school, the deal with Jesus is that Yahweh is vengeful (but also all-loving), and Jesus is unconditionally loving. If you believe in Jesus then he vouches you into heaven and out of eternal torment.