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Labor camp

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List of choices (would you like to be killed by woodchipper, firing squad, gascambers...)

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Choose how to die (with restrictions, or course, no "I want to be nuked in the dining hall")

6 (30%)

Generic Lethal injection

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Electroshock

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Life in prison

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Total Members Voted: 20

[Vorthon]

Hey, ethics are important. We don't want to end up like the filthy Groundies, now do we?

[GreatWyrmGold]

Just get some extremofiles.

Another problem might be if it is ethical to deploy these lifeforms on Mars. We might be destroying an entire ecosystem. We might kill the first extraterrestial live we ever meet.

Every survey and probe and robot has shown that there is no life on Mars bigger than a bacterium. Currently.

And since when are bacteria not important.

But since when do they need to be accounted for in moral decisions.
Besides, they could well infect us with something.

[Graknorke]

Just get some extremofiles.

Another problem might be if it is ethical to deploy these lifeforms on Mars. We might be destroying an entire ecosystem. We might kill the first extraterrestial live we ever meet.

Every survey and probe and robot has shown that there is no life on Mars bigger than a bacterium. Currently.

And since when are bacteria not important.

But since when do they need to be accounted for in moral decisions.
Besides, they could well infect us with something.

It's pretty unlikely that bacteria are going to have evolved to infect humans in a place where no humans exist.

[Wrex]

I had an idea: Why not feed prisoners you want to execute to me?

[misko27]

I had an idea: Why not feed prisoners you want to execute to me?

Because. If we're executing large number of prisoners, The line will get backed up.

[Wrex]

I had an idea: Why not feed prisoners you want to execute to me?

Because. If we're executing large number of prisoners, The line will get backed up.

I don't have to eat them right then per se.

[IronTomato]

Hey, ethics are important. We don't want to end up like the filthy Groundies, now do we?

...Ethics?

[GreatWyrmGold]

Just get some extremofiles.

Another problem might be if it is ethical to deploy these lifeforms on Mars. We might be destroying an entire ecosystem. We might kill the first extraterrestial live we ever meet.

Every survey and probe and robot has shown that there is no life on Mars bigger than a bacterium. Currently.

And since when are bacteria not important.

But since when do they need to be accounted for in moral decisions.
Besides, they could well infect us with something.

It's pretty unlikely that bacteria are going to have evolved to infect humans in a place where no humans exist.

That doesn't mean they won't have an effect on us, especially given the good probability that life on Earth came from Martian rocks or vise versa.

[Vorthon]

Yes, even if that's the case, there's something like a 3 billion year period for divergence to happen. And something like 2.5 billion of those years life existed as simple forms. Plenty of time for biochemistry to differentiate.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Yes, even if that's the case, there's something like a 3 billion year period for divergence to happen. And something like 2.5 billion of those years life existed as simple forms. Plenty of time for biochemistry to differentiate.

It doesn't need to be adapted to us to screw us up.

Think of us as Australia or any Pacific island, and the micro-organisms as cane toads, rats, or whatever.

[misko27]

Yes, even if that's the case, there's something like a 3 billion year period for divergence to happen. And something like 2.5 billion of those years life existed as simple forms. Plenty of time for biochemistry to differentiate.

It doesn't need to be adapted to us to screw us up.

Think of us as Australia or any Pacific island, and the micro-organisms as cane toads, rats, or whatever.

The point is though, we're not. We're completely imcompatible. Moreover, this is simply moot, as any attempt to be in the same biome as mars would quickly lead to the death of either them or us.

[Vorthon]

Yes, even if that's the case, there's something like a 3 billion year period for divergence to happen. And something like 2.5 billion of those years life existed as simple forms. Plenty of time for biochemistry to differentiate.

It doesn't need to be adapted to us to screw us up.

Think of us as Australia or any Pacific island, and the micro-organisms as cane toads, rats, or whatever.

That analogy kind of falls apart as there's a massive difference in the timescales involved.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Yes, even if that's the case, there's something like a 3 billion year period for divergence to happen. And something like 2.5 billion of those years life existed as simple forms. Plenty of time for biochemistry to differentiate.

It doesn't need to be adapted to us to screw us up.

Think of us as Australia or any Pacific island, and the micro-organisms as cane toads, rats, or whatever.

The point is though, we're not. We're completely imcompatible. Moreover, this is simply moot, as any attempt to be in the same biome as mars would quickly lead to the death of either them or us.

Arsenic isn't biologically compatible with us, either. Nor is a crystal that grows in water. Both could kill us.
Let's make sure it's us, and not worry about the bacteria we might be killing.

Yes, even if that's the case, there's something like a 3 billion year period for divergence to happen. And something like 2.5 billion of those years life existed as simple forms. Plenty of time for biochemistry to differentiate.

It doesn't need to be adapted to us to screw us up.
Think of us as Australia or any Pacific island, and the micro-organisms as cane toads, rats, or whatever.

That analogy kind of falls apart as there's a massive difference in the timescales involved.

I fail to see how the timescales matter, the entire point was saying that it doesn't need to be evolved to attack humans to endanger us.

[IronTomato]

Yes, even if that's the case, there's something like a 3 billion year period for divergence to happen. And something like 2.5 billion of those years life existed as simple forms. Plenty of time for biochemistry to differentiate.

It doesn't need to be adapted to us to screw us up.

Think of us as Australia or any Pacific island, and the micro-organisms as cane toads, rats, or whatever.

The point is though, we're not. We're completely imcompatible. Moreover, this is simply moot, as any attempt to be in the same biome as mars would quickly lead to the death of either them or us.

Arsenic isn't biologically compatible with us, either. Nor is a crystal that grows in water. Both could kill us.
Let's make sure it's us, and not worry about the bacteria we might be killing.

I agree. If we made the test-tube baby program, I don't see why we haven't all come to this conclusion.

[miauw62]

Yeah, fuck random bacteria.

Wrex, would you care being put in the middle of a big maze and have people fed to you every X years?