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[Jtedwards670]

I am extremely new to this modding thing as it will soon become painfully obviously. I have read over all the guides that I could but still am extremely lost. For just practice I created two simple new workshops and some simple reactions that will reduce the need for animals to help with my FPS problems. (Barnyard and Bee Farm) This is what I have so far:

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##################     BARNYARD    #############################
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******WORKS****

[REACTION:MILK_COW]
[NAME:Milk Cow]
[BUILDING:BARNYARD:CUSTOM_M]
[REAGENT:A:1:BARREL:NONE:NONE:NONE][EMPTY][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:100:5:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:COW:MILK][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:A]
[SKILL:MILK]

[REACTION:MILK_HORSE]
[NAME:Milk Horse]
[BUILDING:BARNYARD:CUSTOM_H]
[REAGENT:A:1:BARREL:NONE:NONE:NONE][EMPTY][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:100:5:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:HORSE:MILK][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:A]
[SKILL:MILK]

[REACTION:SKIN_PIG]
[NAME:Skin Goat (Suede)]
[BUILDING:BARNYARD:CUSTOM_G]
[PRODUCT:10:2:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE_MAT:SUEDE:LEATHER_THIN]
[PRODUCT:40:1:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE_MAT:SUEDE:LEATHER_THIN]
[SKILL:BUTCHER]

[REACTION:SKIN_COW]
[NAME:Skin Cow (Leather)]
[BUILDING:BARNYARD:CUSTOM_C]
[PRODUCT:15:1:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE_MAT:ANIMAL:LEATHER]
[SKILL:BUTCHER]

[REACTION:BLEED_CHICKEN]
[NAME:Bleed Chicken]
[BUILDING:BARNYARD:CUSTOM_B]
[REAGENT:A:1:BARREL:NONE:NONE:NONE][EMPTY][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:15:5:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:ANIMAL:BLOOD][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:A]
[SKILL:BUTCHER]

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##################     BEE FARM    #############################
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[REACTION:COLLECT_HONEY]
[NAME:Collect Honey]
[BUILDING:BEE_FARM:CUSTOM_H]
[REAGENT:A:1:BARREL:NONE:NONE:NONE]
   [EMPTY]
   [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:15:5:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:HONEY_BEE:HONEY][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:A]
[SKILL:BEEKEEPING]

[REACTION:COLLECT_ROYAL_JELLY]
[NAME:Collect Royal Jelly]
[BUILDING:BEE_FARM:CUSTOM_J]
[REAGENT:A:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_JUG:NONE:NONE:NONE]
   [EMPTY]
   [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:10:5:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:HONEY_BEE:ROYAL_JELLY][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:A]
[SKILL:BEEKEEPING]

[REACTION:COLLECT_VENOM]
[NAME:Collect Venom]
[BUILDING:BEE_FARM:CUSTOM_V]
[REAGENT:A:1:BARREL:NONE:NONE:NONE]
   [EMPTY]
   [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:20:3:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:HONEY_BEE:VENOM][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:A]
[SKILL:BEEKEEPING]

[REACTION:COLLECT_HONEY_COMB]
[NAME:Collect Honey Comb]
[BUILDING:BEE_FARM:CUSTOM_C]
[PRODUCT:40:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_HONEYCOMB:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[SKILL:BEEKEEPING]

I am lost trying to make eggs collectable. I would like to be able to have a single reaction called "Collect Poultry Eggs" that will have the possibility to collect chicken, turkey and peahen eggs. I know I am doing something wrong since all I end up with is a generic "Egg" that are not cookable. I tried for hours last night at work with little success with what I thought would have been a simple reaction. I appreciate any and all that could help me out. 

P.S. If it matters I am tinkering with the wonderful masterwork mod. I hope that's not a problem with the creator.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Download the wiki in my sig, I have a guide to Reactions.

[Quietust]

It is not possible to properly create eggs using custom reactions, just as it is also not possible to create vermin (tamed or not), remains, or fish (raw or prepared) - you would need to specify a Caste, but the game doesn't actually parse the caste so you end up with an invalid item.

[Jtedwards670]

Thanks for the help. The guide is very helpful and provides an abundance of excellent information, although extremely daunting. I have no idea how any of you were able to learn this stuff!! Would you recommend I start with a clean vanilla version of DF to play around with?

Honestly, it is worth it to continue trying if I have very little knowledge of programming?

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Trail and error for me.

Programming helps a little, but Modding DF can help Programming.
It's all about "Order of Operations" and basically databases/classes

It's all how you wrap your mind around things to better help you understands.

I recommend playing around with a clean DF adding altering, etc. before you try to alter anyother mod. As every modder (like every programmer) has their own style of modding. So it takes time to see "What did they do?" before you can alter any raws.

[Jtedwards670]

As much as I hate to ask it, how do you test if your reactions work? I have been regenerating world(depending on what I did), striking the earth, building the workshop and testing the reaction.


I love your wiki Hugo, many thanks.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

you can make them adv. mode enabled, and test them in arena mode. BTW make sure you enable reactions in the entity, and make cheat reactions to porduce the reagents aswell.

Thank you altho I can only take thanks on putting it together, all the info is from the real wiki altho the "Reactions and You" is my own guide. And the one above that is Putnam's Accents.

[Jtedwards670]

So after a long time of putzing around I have five reactions I like but one that needs help. I also have a few questions if someone doesn't mind helping me with.

 

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[REACTION:COMPOST_VERMIN]
   [NAME:Compost Vermin Corpse]
   [BUILDING:COMPOST:CUSTOM_V]
   [REAGENT:A:1:REMAINS:NONE:NONE:NONE]
   [PRODUCT:50:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:POTASH:NO_MATGLOSS]
      [PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
   [SKILL:POTASH_MAKING]      

[REACTION:COMPOST_MEAT]
   [NAME:Compost Meat products
   [BUILDING:COMPOST:CUSTOM_M]
   [REAGENT:A:1:MEAT:NONE:NONE:NONE]
   [PRODUCT:4:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:POTASH:NO_MATGLOSS]
      [PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
   [SKILL:POTASH_MAKING]   
   
[REACTION:COMPOST_PARTS]
   [NAME:Compost Body Parts
   [BUILDING:COMPOST:CUSTOM_B]
   [REAGENT:A:1:CORPSE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [USE_BODY_COMPONENT]
   [PRODUCT:5:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:POTASH:NO_MATGLOSS]
      [PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
   [SKILL:POTASH_MAKING]   
   
[REACTION:COMPOST_PLANTS]
   [NAME:Compost Plants]
   [BUILDING:COMPOST:CUSTOM_P]
   [REAGENT:A:1:PLANT:NONE:NONE:NONE]
   [PRODUCT:4:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:POTASH:NO_MATGLOSS]
   [PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
   [SKILL:POTASH_MAKING]

[REACTION:COMPOST_BOOZE]
   [NAME:Compost Booze]
   [BUILDING:COMPOST:CUSTOM_B]
   [REAGENT:A:1:DRINK:PLANT_MAT:DRINK:NONE]
   [REAGENT:B:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [CONTAINS:A]
      [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
   [PRODUCT:40:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:POTASH:NO_MATGLOSS]
      [PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
   [SKILL:POTASH_MAKING]

[REACTION:COMPOST_MEALS]
   [NAME:Compost MEALS]
   [BUILDING:COMPOST:CUSTOM_F]
   [REAGENT:A:1:FOOD:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
   [PRODUCT:40:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:POTASH:NO_MATGLOSS]
      [PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
   [SKILL:POTASH_MAKING]

Compost meal does not work at all like I want. I know it is not right because if you look at the reaction in game it states that it only needs any "item" so it grabs any old thing, even the potash from the previous reaction which is kinda entertaining.

Why does "[DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]" act differently between a barrel with (5) Plump helmet wine and (5) Jaguar intestines or (5) Pig Tails that get taken from a barrel and brought over in a stack? I had to either drastically reduce the probability of the two or stick on that reaction token on them.

I know that there is a "[UNROTTEN]" token but is there any way for a "[Rotten]" to be used? I would like a reaction that "Composts Rotting Material."

Finally, my compost Drink reaction refers to only drinks made from plants. If I put NONE in where the PLANT_MAT is then would that include mead and what not??

As always, many thanks.

(That booze reaction took me FOREVER)

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

for BOOZE I'm sure you just need that

DRINK:NONE:NONE:NONE

as for FOOD/prepared meals those are currently a bugged ITEM type

[Jtedwards670]

So I have actually made quite a bit of progress but there is one thing at the this moment I can't wrap my feeble lil mind around. Can someone explain to me what is the difference between [REACTION_CLASS] and [MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT]? Yes I have read the wiki and Hugo's explanation NUMEROUS times. I just don't understand when to use the second choice when I can just add a reaction class to the item.

EXAMPLE:
I decided to be able to process certain plants into a generic Vegetable oil. So I simply added [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:OIL:PLANT_OIL_TEMPLATE] and [REACTION_CLASS:VEGETABLE_OIL_PLANT] to the plants I wanted. Then in the reaction just called for plants with that reaction class.

[Quietust]

REACTION_CLASS and MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT are mostly the same purpose - the only difference is that REACTION_CLASS does not specify what the material becomes, just what it's used for. It helps to know that REACTION_CLASS dates back to 40d and earlier (and used solely for flux stones when making pig iron and steel), while MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT was introduced in version 0.31. You generally don't need to use both of them - one will suffice.

[Jtedwards670]

So lets say I used [MATERIAL_REACTION_CLASS:VEGETABLE_OIL_PLANT] instead of what I did. Does that mean that the vegetable oil that is the result will be class as that?

[REACTION:PROCESS_OIL]
   [NAME:Process Plants into Oil]
   [BUILDING:PLANT_PROCESS:CUSTOM_O]
   [REAGENT:A:5:PLANT:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [REACTION_CLASS:VEGETABLE_OIL_PLANT] <--[HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_CLASS:VEGETABLE_OIL_PLANT]
      [UNROTTEN]

So...

[REAGENT:A:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[REACTION_CLASS:VEGETABLE_OIL_PLANT]

would call on the plants with that AND any products that were made from them?

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Well like Quietust said, and I even explain in my tutorial is that

REACTION_CLASS
only classes a material

Material Reaction Product
Classes and Defines a case in which it can be turned into another material (pre-exsisting)

So are you turing vegtable oil into another material or what?
your uncertany of which method to use means you need to step back and rethink

[Jtedwards670]

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I know I am extremely thick skulled but im at the end of my rope.

I gave five or so plants [REACTION_CLASS:OIL_MAKER] so that I could make a single process plants to oil reaction instead of a single one for each plant time.
[REACTION:PROCESS_OIL]
   [NAME:Process Oil]
   [BUILDING:TESTER:CUSTOM_O]
   [REAGENT:A:5:PLANT:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [REACTION_CLASS:OIL_MAKER]
      [UNROTTEN]
   [REAGENT:B:1:BARREL:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [EMPTY]
      [FOOD_STORAGE_CONTAINER]
      [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
      [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
   [PRODUCT:100:5:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:PLANT_MAT:GRASS_TAIL_PIG:OIL]
      [PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
      [PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:B]
   [SKILL:NONE]

[REACTION:VOIL_SOAP]
   [NAME:Make Vegetable Oil Soap]
   [BUILDING:TESTER:CUSTOM_O]
   [REAGENT:A:150:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [UNROTTEN]
      [HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:SOAP_MAT]
   [REAGENT:B:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [CONTAINS:oil A]
      [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
      [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
   [PRODUCT:100:1:BAR:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:SOAP_MAT]
      [PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
   [SKILL:NONE]

To the same plants that I gave the reaction class, I also added [spoiler][USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:OIL:PLANT_OIL_TEMPLATE]
      [PREFIX:NONE]
      [MATERIAL_VALUE:5]
      [EDIBLE_COOKED]

This in the end gets me Pig Tail Soap. How can I go about processing multiple plants to a generic vegetable oil and end with a generic soap?

Nevermind that part, I'm a moron...

Also how do I pull a single item out of a stack to be used instead of using 5 plump helmets when I only call for 1? This still applies though.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Saddly.... Impossible, since custom reactions atm just eat a whole stack no matter what. You can do the Ratio trick which I think I mentioned in the "Reactions and You" if not REACTION_CLASS and HMRP both allow for ratios if the PRODUCT gets it's material from that reagent.

EDIT: only clunky workaround is using the ratio trick to make a non-stackable item like a WEAPON or TOOL or BOULDER.