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[NativeForeigner]

NF: We got one already. Day ends approx. 29 hours from the time of this post. Do you need another?

Yeah, probably. I'm finishing packing everything all day today and by the time I'm finished moving tomorrow the day will be just about to end.

[zombie urist]

ZU: Concerning no N1 Tir action: Could be that Scelly didn't even check in during the night (I had no action N1 in the last RL because Flandre vanished). It could be that he just didn't have any activate-able items. It's still unusual, sure, but I wouldn't paint it as too sinister.

Why are you speculating on this if it isn't 'too sinister'?

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Bookthras:
Hapah: Tiruin
NativeForeigner: IronyOwl
Dariush: Bookthras, zombie urist
blackmagechill:
Tiruin:
zombie urist: Dariush
IronyOwl:

Not voting: NativeForeigner, blackmagechill, Hapah


Day 2 will last until Thursday, 8/2 at 11 PM EST.

Do we get another extension?

I don't limit extensions, so if there are two more votes for one, yes.

[Tiruin]

ZU:

Could you explain how he was being passive? Why would being useless (please quote or explain how he was being such), merit that vigkill of yours?

Read through his posts. He mostly asked and answered RVS questions.

And that gives him your item of death? Asking and Answering RVS questions = vigkill, then? I mean, out of all of us, you decided to kill that type of person, as you had a scroll of death? Uncommon item...

In accordance with those questions, why did you decide to use it N1 before questioning UI about his antics?

While, yes, he mostly asked and answered RVS questions, he also asked pertinent scumhunting questions and I can't follow why you direct me to his posts to perhaps come up with my own explanation in your stead.

From where I see this, I'm guessing you're attributing scumminess to how much action//posts someone puts up. Why? If wrong, why?

Dariush

I used a ?o Door Creation last night, got randomised, and it landed on Dariush. His being blocked could also explain the assumed lack of a kill.

I indeed got blocked, but I was trying to use a Scroll of Tracking on BMC. I can confirm this by tracking the person of town's choice tonight.

A person of 'town's' choice tonight?

That gives me a feeling that you're subtly putting in alignment there. What did you mean by that, and how would you confirm such? Saying what that person did, and waiting for their confirmation?

Spoiler: Hapah (click to show/hide)

Everyone: At a glance, ZU would have very little to gain from claiming either flavor (SK or Scum) of NK. He had to know it would invite scrutiny, and if he was an SK would probably want the town to operate under the assumption that the game is within normal bounds. I just can't see a solid reason to claim that kill like that unless you legitimately want to warn the town that the setup isn't typical. Anyone have thoughts on this?

ZU: Concerning no N1 Tir action: Could be that Scelly didn't even check in during the night (I had no action N1 in the last RL because Flandre vanished). It could be that he just didn't have any activate-able items. It's still unusual, sure, but I wouldn't paint it as too sinister.

Thoughts on that? Well, one is that he has a scroll of death [used on UI] or any other item that has a chance to kill, two is that he's an SK, three is that he's mafia.

He stated that he vigkilled UI, so either there actually is no Mafia NK, or someone protected someone else successfully yesternight.

On your statement to ZU: Scelly has a useable item, but he didn't act on N1. Guessing due to his workload.

Mod: Do SKs have a NK? If so, can it be used in addition to their item?

[Dariush]

Everyone: At a glance, ZU would have very little to gain from claiming either flavor (SK or Scum) of NK. He had to know it would invite scrutiny, and if he was an SK would probably want the town to operate under the assumption that the game is within normal bounds. I just can't see a solid reason to claim that kill like that unless you legitimately want to warn the town that the setup isn't typical. Anyone have thoughts on this?

Yes. My thoughts can be expressed with a simple five-letter abbreviation. Can you guess what it is? (hint: it's WIFOM).

A person of 'town's' choice tonight?

That gives me a feeling that you're subtly putting in alignment there. What did you mean by that, and how would you confirm such? Saying what that person did, and waiting for their confirmation?

Wait what? What I meant was 'everyone says whom he wants me to track', I do that and claim so tomorrow. Either somebody else also tracks him or the person claims his action, which I then confirm/deny.

Extend meanwhile.

Hapah and BMC: why aren't you voting anyone, with... what, 20 hours until day end?

[Toaster]

Two extend requests heard.  Three total needed to extend the day.

Mod: Do SKs have a NK? If so, can it be used in addition to their item?

Maybe.  I reserve the right to give third parties free starting items as balance dictates.  (Clarification- they don't have a factional kill, but they might start with some form of killing item that may or may not be on the item list.  See Roguelike 3 for an example.)

I can tell you that everyone has just one action, though, and a kill is an action.  The Mafia factional kill is subject to that as well.

[Hapah]

ZU:Because you seemed rather worried by the fact that Scelly/Tir didn't act N1. I was just pointing out that it wasn't necessarily a bad thing.

Dar: Concerning vote: At least we've got another day now.

Concerning ZU: I just wanted to make sure there wasn't an angle I was missing. I only see downsides with very few benefits.

Extend.

[zombie urist]

ZU:

Could you explain how he was being passive? Why would being useless (please quote or explain how he was being such), merit that vigkill of yours?

Read through his posts. He mostly asked and answered RVS questions.

And that gives him your item of death? Asking and Answering RVS questions = vigkill, then? I mean, out of all of us, you decided to kill that type of person, as you had a scroll of death? Uncommon item...

No. Not doing anything useful other than asking and answering RVS is scummy. BTW, looking at what Toaster wrote, my ?oDeath could have belonged to Mr. D.

In accordance with those questions, why did you decide to use it N1 before questioning UI about his antics?

Because I felt I had a solid enough read to do so. Also waiting would be disadvantageous because it gives scum more chances to act.

While, yes, he mostly asked and answered RVS questions, he also asked pertinent scumhunting questions and I can't follow why you direct me to his posts to perhaps come up with my own explanation in your stead.

Well, I didn't think he had good scumhunting questions. And if you read through his posts and didn't think he was scummy, then you're wrong. 

From where I see this, I'm guessing you're attributing scumminess to how much action//posts someone puts up. Why? If wrong, why?

Partially. I'm doing it because it works.

Dariush: You can't explain everything away using 5 letter acronyms you know... Also why aren't you pushing your case instead of asking others to vote?

[Dariush]

Dariush: You can't explain everything away using 5 letter acronyms you know... Also why aren't you pushing your case instead of asking others to vote?

Wait, are you asking me to get you lynched? Yes, sure, do that. Because you weren't scummy at all previously. That was sarcasm.

[Tiruin]

ZU:

Could you explain how he was being passive? Why would being useless (please quote or explain how he was being such), merit that vigkill of yours?

Read through his posts. He mostly asked and answered RVS questions.

And that gives him your item of death? Asking and Answering RVS questions = vigkill, then? I mean, out of all of us, you decided to kill that type of person, as you had a scroll of death? Uncommon item...

No. Not doing anything useful other than asking and answering RVS is scummy. BTW, looking at what Toaster wrote, my ?oDeath could have belonged to Mr. D.

Your ...huh? What terminology is this, because I don't know where you got it. Does this mean ? of Death?

So you admit to using a scroll of death? If the ? - item, then I don't see any other variants that could give death but a scroll.

* Tiruin is confused with that '?' and that 'o'

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

In accordance with those questions, why did you decide to use it N1 before questioning UI about his antics?

Because I felt I had a solid enough read to do so. Also waiting would be disadvantageous because it gives scum more chances to act.

While, yes, he mostly asked and answered RVS questions, he also asked pertinent scumhunting questions and I can't follow why you direct me to his posts to perhaps come up with my own explanation in your stead.

Well, I didn't think he had good scumhunting questions. And if you read through his posts and didn't think he was scummy, then you're wrong. 

From where I see this, I'm guessing you're attributing scumminess to how much action//posts someone puts up. Why? If wrong, why?

Partially. I'm doing it because it works.

Hmm, under the option that Lyncher - scum, if that's what I think you're thinking, I'll ask in that stead.

Mod: If the Lynchee dies//is NK'd by another hand and not death-by-lyncher's lynch-vote, what happens to the Lyncher's alignment? If scum > scum, or if town > town? Is it possible for a lyncher to be town, and his target to be town also? Is the lyncher considered a third-party?

Nonetheless, he did scumhunt. Did you prod him on why he was doing what he was doing? Nope. This is all your stuff on him. He had an excuse, albeit a RL one.

And then ZU killed him without further prodding.

By your attitude, I have two conclusions. A, you're scum. B, you're the lynchee, the latter meaning you are either town or third-party, veering on town due to inadequate defense of why you killed him.

A lyncher does not = scum. A lyncher just has a different win condition, but is not necessarily a threat to town, from what I can see. He turns pro-town when lynchee dies via not-his-hand.

[Toaster]

Mod: If the Lynchee dies//is NK'd by another hand and not death-by-lyncher's lynch-vote, what happens to the Lyncher's alignment? If scum > scum, or if town > town? Is it possible for a lyncher to be town, and his target to be town also? Is the lyncher considered a third-party?

The Lyncher is a third party, with this wincon:

You win if PLAYERNAME is lynched.  If PLAYERNAME dies in any other way, you become Town.

The lyncher's target, in most cases, is town.

[Bookthras]

Your ...huh? What terminology is this, because I don't know where you got it. Does this mean ? of Death?

* Tiruin is confused with that '?' and that 'o'

I'm a bit pressed for time today, but this is an easy one to answer: it's roguelike terminology, based on how different items appear on the games. ? for scroll, " for amulet, ! for potion, / for wand, and so on. More here.

[zombie urist]

Dariush: You can't explain everything away using 5 letter acronyms you know... Also why aren't you pushing your case instead of asking others to vote?

Wait, are you asking me to get you lynched? Yes, sure, do that. Because you weren't scummy at all previously. That was sarcasm.

Hmm... I thought you were voting Hapah. Well this is awkward.

Your ...huh? What terminology is this, because I don't know where you got it. Does this mean ? of Death?
So you admit to using a scroll of death? If the ? - item, then I don't see any other variants that could give death but a scroll.

* Tiruin is confused with that '?' and that 'o'

Its from Nethack. '?' represented scrolls. 'o' is short for 'of'. There also is a wand of death.

Hmm, under the option that Lyncher - scum, if that's what I think you're thinking, I'll ask in that stead.
Mod: If the Lynchee dies//is NK'd by another hand and not death-by-lyncher's lynch-vote, what happens to the Lyncher's alignment? If scum > scum, or if town > town? Is it possible for a lyncher to be town, and his target to be town also? Is the lyncher considered a third-party?
Nonetheless, he did scumhunt. Did you prod him on why he was doing what he was doing? Nope. This is all your stuff on him. He had an excuse, albeit a RL one.
And then ZU killed him without further prodding.
By your attitude, I have two conclusions. A, you're scum. B, you're the lynchee, the latter meaning you are either town or third-party, veering on town due to inadequate defense of why you killed him.
A lyncher does not = scum. A lyncher just has a different win condition, but is not necessarily a threat to town, from what I can see. He turns pro-town when lynchee dies via not-his-hand.

Huh? Lyncher is 3rd party and generally a threat to town as he doesn't care about scumhunting, only lynching his target. Also I'm pretty sure the lynchee does not know he is the lynchee.

PPE'd by Toaster and Bookthras.

[Tiruin]

Your ...huh? What terminology is this, because I don't know where you got it. Does this mean ? of Death?

* Tiruin is confused with that '?' and that 'o'

I'm a bit pressed for time today, but this is an easy one to answer: it's roguelike terminology, based on how different items appear on the games. ? for scroll, " for amulet, ! for potion, / for wand, and so on. More here.

Good thing we have Book. 

Yep, I was thinking the ? meant scroll, and was confused on the 'o', hence the reason why I stated both to be sure. Thanks for the link!

And, thanks Toaster for clarifying.

By your attitude, I have two conclusions. A, you're scum. B, you're the lynchee, the latter meaning you are either town or third-party, veering on town due to inadequate defense of why you killed him.

Fix'in this, what I mean by veering on town is because of the info from mafiascum wiki, where it says that the chance of a third-party to be the lynchee is lessened.

PPE: You.


Mod: Does the lynchee know he is the lynchee in Roguelike Mafia?

And PFP, going off soon.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Bookthras:
Hapah:
NativeForeigner: IronyOwl
Dariush: Bookthras, zombie urist
blackmagechill:
Tiruin:
zombie urist: Dariush, Tiruin
IronyOwl:

Not voting: NativeForeigner, blackmagechill, Hapah


Day has been extended.   Day 2 will last until Friday, 8/3 at 11 PM EST.

Mod: Does the lynchee know he is the lynchee in Roguelike Mafia?

No.