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[blackmagechill]

Didn't realize it was a bad thing to do. Sorry I guess. unvote

Uh. So you didn't vote him because you actually suspected him?

BMC, what happened with the 'only townies are lynched D1' mindset? Didn't want to pass a perfectly good bandwagon, did you?

I thought he was town right up until he freaked out and refused to answer questions, which is a classic failure to deliver, coupled with petty insults and belittling the game, I feel like he has resigned to a loss.

I feel like Irony is making a mountain out of a molehill and Mr.D is being strung along to look scummy and is cracking under heavy pressure.

Funny. Later you mention that nobody's stringing him along but himself, but your phrasing rather strongly suggests it's an intentional ploy by someone else to set him up (hence "being strung along to look scummy" and not just "looking scummy"). So what's your story, and why can't you seem to get it straight?

Yep, it's funny that my opinion has changed over the course of a game. It's not like someone suddenly seems MORE suspicious over the course of a game while they flail and throw a tantrum and fail to deliver on FIVE whole questions.

You did not answer the question at all.

As lame and cheap as this sounds, late posting is a factor. I was checking this and Paranormal 21 at the same time, and had a post regarding Mr.D's  bad vibe put together and then Irony posted that wall of text and questions, so I simply closed the tab and continued to read paranormal and posted quite a bit later, which could be part of the reason I didn't really answer it.

Irony:You make a good point. I always feel like the night actions are the concrete, "hey something acutally happened, let's draw conclusions from that" type thing, and is what has probably caused a D1 lynch or two.

Hapah: Get your drunk post from paranormal over here.

@Dariush: after someone throws a tantrum and repeatedly fails to post answers and then flat out refuses to, it's probably someone who's sick of trying to cover for themselves. And you're awfully jumpy with that vote.

[Hapah]

Hapah: Get your drunk post from paranormal over here.

I'd rather just forget that I ever made it. It's more than a little embarassing, I passed from "funny but coherent" drunk to "wHoo I'ma pla yMafia" drunk. S'not very fun!

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Bookthras:
Hapah:
Urist Imiknorris: zombie urist
NativeForeigner:
Dariush:
blackmagechill: Urist Imiknorris, Dariush
Scelly9:
Mr. Dwarfinton: Scelly9, IronyOwl, blackmagechill
zombie urist:
IronyOwl: Bookthras

Not voting:  NativeForeigner, Hapah, Mr. Dwarfinton

Day 1 will last until Wednesday, 7/25 at 11 PM EST, ~8 hours from this post.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Why aren't you non-voters voting?

BMC:

I feel like Irony is making a mountain out of a molehill and Mr.D is being strung along to look scummy and is cracking under heavy pressure.

Funny. Later you mention that nobody's stringing him along but himself, but your phrasing rather strongly suggests it's an intentional ploy by someone else to set him up (hence "being strung along to look scummy" and not just "looking scummy"). So what's your story, and why can't you seem to get it straight?

Yep, it's funny that my opinion has changed over the course of a game. It's not like someone suddenly seems MORE suspicious over the course of a game while they flail and throw a tantrum and fail to deliver on FIVE whole questions.

The post I'm talking about came before Mr. D's "fuck it" response. You progressed from claiming he was being set up to claiming he was being scummy by himself, with no clear reason as to why. It couldn't have been anything Mr.D said - his only post between your conflicting claims was to state that he'd deal with Irony's questions later.

[Hapah]

UI: Because I need to reread when I'm not on the bottle. I'll get a vote in before night. Ideally I'd like to ask some more questions as well, but it'll be so close to night by then that I probably won't get responses. I guess they can answer come day, though.

[NativeForeigner]

IronyOwl. That last post was a bit extreme, don't you think? Most of what was directed at Mr. D was you complaining about how he's complaining about how you're asking him all them questions making statements. Assuming. It's out of character for you to blow up so hard on someone for something so little and ultimately irrelevant. A few things stood out that make me think you're scum pressing for a mislynch.

The first thing:

Your reading comprehension sucks and that's going to get you lynched.

So you're saying that you're pushing for his lynch because his reading comprehension sucks and not because you think he might be scum?

You then criticize his answers and tell him how he got it wrong, but the closest you get to trying to convince us he's scum is by suggesting that he might not be thinking about his answers. That isn't a scumtell in itself - just poor play.

Now here's what got me. You correct his "10,000+" statement by reposting your questions, proceeding to count them out for him, and yelling at him about how he's overreacting. You managed to fill more than half of your post regarding Mr. D with non-constructive whiny bullshit. You didn't add anything new, you didn't try a different angle, you didn't even really hunt. You just reposted your past questions and added commentary. If that's not buffering, I don't know what is. It's only purpose is to bully newtown into giving up and getting a free mislynch.

And then we get this gem:

Answer the goddamned questions or we'll lynch you as panicky shifty scum. No townie should have an excuse to not answer the kind of questions you've been handed.

This comes off as "Oh right, I'm supposed to be saying why he's scum. I should call him scum here!" to me. It's still "Answer the questions the way I want you to or we'll lynch you because you're an easy target!"

Other than the fact that he hasn't answered your questions in a manner that meets your standards, why else do you think he's scum? Because the way I'm seeing it he's more likely newtown than newscum and you're scum trying to get him to break with minimal effort on your part. The way you're attacking but not hunting him and the way he seems to have given up make me almost sure of this.

[NativeForeigner]

Apologies for lack of posting, I was unexpectedly away yesterday. I'm glad to see the extension passed, and hope to catch up later tonight.

Where have you been, Bookthras? Your lack of activity is unusual.

[Bookthras]

Been away almost all week, just coming back a couple of hours ago. Working on wall of ketchup text for this game. Coming Soon.

[Bookthras]

Mr.Dwarfinton:

Oops I forgot the paranoia part, well I got lynched on day 2 last time because I was apparently acting scummy when I was a townie. This is only my third mafia game and I'm fairly bad at mafia. That's why I'm paranoid.

This is utterly awful. First, you lie: last game you weren't town, you were a brother. Second, a townie does not fear death. Doesn't seek it, sure, but can win even after death -- hell, in fact, you won the last game.

I voted Scelly because he voted me and he was giving me a bad vibe.

...Did you just admit to an OMGUS?

What's that?

OMGUS stands for Oh My God You Suck. It's when you vote someone because they are voting you. Its also a scumtell.

Didn't realize it was a bad thing to do. Sorry I guess. unvote

This is AWFULER! First, it's not a "bad" thing to do, and "scumtells" aren't dogma. Vote or don't whoever you wish, with or without reasons. People will make assumptions on your alignment and intentions based on your votes, unvotes, and reasons or lack thereof, and since it's common for scum to be unnerved by people voting them, they sometimes reflexively vote them back, thus betraying their true alignment. It's not an ettiquete or taboo thing. It's something that will make others make certain assumptions.

These together are awful enough that I see the merit on the case against you. Regardless of whether you hang or not, however, I sincerely encourage you to join the new Beginners' Mafia Game here, and read now the "Resources and Guidelines" spoiler texts at the bottom of the first post. This will answer your questions about OMGUSing and several other things.

But your ignorance does not exculpate you, on the contrary: a scum that knows an OMGUS is a common scumtell will watch out for it and avoid it more often than not. It's a newbie scum who will fall pray to the reflex reaction of voting whoever voted them, because they don't know better, and won't realise how much they're giving away. Newbie scum will also stop doing whatever they are doing as soon as they are called scummy for it. Like you did.

It's really more than can be given a pass as "panicky noobtown".

I'm really conflicted, because I thought IronyOwl tunneling on him was scummy. And if Irony is indeed scum, his lynch would be much more useful than that of Mr.D's if he's scum.

However, all I have on Irony is a feeling, and the multiple stumbles of Mr.Dwarfinton can't be ignored.


On other things:

How many times have you been in a game that lynched a mafioso on D1? [...] we are set up for a mislynch. I'd rather wait until after we get a report on the night actions to start to draw concrete points.

As has been pointed out to you, there have been several games with a scum lynch D1 (Super 5, Cybrid 3, Politibastard, others I don't recall). Plus a no-lynch on day one is a horrible idea, for many reasons. If you are curious, please read this post on the last Roguelike game.


BMC, Hapah, Native: What's with the no voting for most of the day? Being cautious is one thing, but during RVS questions and pressure are applied through votes. Please explain, without saying you were merely cautious.

Imiknorris, Dariush: Please tell me your reads on Native and Hapah.

[Hapah]

Still at work, will probably be off in....an hour?

[Hapah]

Okay, I'll reread now and see what I can come up with.

[NativeForeigner]

Bookthras: I don't believe that a random vote has any real pressure behind it, so I typically don't bother until I have something that I consider solid enough to apply pressure.

[Hapah]

And I'm back! WALL OF TEXT: ENGAGE. Spoilered the post in sections so that it doesn't eat the entire screen, with no particular divisions. It's not that long, so give it a read!

Spoiler: Part 1 (click to show/hide)

Anyone else notice that all the conversation lately has been about MrD? BMC got a FoS and NF voted IO, but other than that just about everything has been pointed squarely at MrD. I'm not saying we shouldn't look at him, but at least look around before day end.

IO: Please comment on the hammer you dropped on MrD, it felt out of character. I don't think you are scum, though. Maybe third party? I don't want to speculate more until you've said your piece.

BMC: Good catch on the cult references, I missed it myself. It might be true, but it's really too early to speculate one way or the other. Seems like you're having a decent game, though.

MrD: I'm not convinced that you're scum. I honestly think you are newtown: While you did make quite a few slips, you were also getting questions from damn near everyone, which can be rough for a new guy. Take a step back, look it over, and list out all the questions people have. Also, try to see how other people will view your responses: Throwing your hands up and saying you won't answer any more questions of a particular type doesn't look good. How are we going to find scum if we aren't free to question everyone?

And definitely follow Book's suggestion and read all the info in the first post. It's very helpful!

Spoiler: Part 2 (click to show/hide)

Book: Yay, I was educational! And I didn't vote mostly because I've barely been participating: RL was rough and I've been shooting the breeze with one of my friends (he deploys next week, won't be seeing him for a while). There just haven't been enough hours in the day.

NF: You know, I had similar thoughts, but I ultimately discarded them. I think IO is just genuinely pissed off at MrD. I mean, if IO was scum, you'd think he would be a little more subtle about it. That post drew a lot of attention, and I don't see scum wanting to bask in the limelight. There are all the WIFOM implications (maybe IO is a scum pally so the inspect wouldn't stick?), but there's little to be gained by going down that road.

As for who I think is scum? That's a hard question, I'm not really getting any scum reads so much as town reads. I don't think it's MrD, I don't think it's BMC, and I think IO isn't scum (least certain about that last one). I don't think Book AND NF are a scumteam, but I think either one could be scum individually. Need hard information to form hard opinions!

Spoiler: Part 3 (click to show/hide)

If I had to vote right now (which I apparently do), I guess I'd go with Book. He's saying that MrD is making so many slipups that the case has merit, but in the same post

Splits hairs on MrD's alignment in the last RL (MrD was brother-to-a-townie, now said he was town last game, and Book call this "utterly awful").
Has to explain, to MrD, why what he did was wrong when he apologized for OMGUS'ing someone.
Encourages MrD to sign up for the BM that's in signups
Points out the resources in the thread title.

I mean, he gives out just about all the resources at hand, explains why what he did was wrong, but then goes on to say that "it's more than he can chalk up to newtells". I'm not trying to discourage you from giving advice, Book (it's good advice!), but your words and your actions don't quite match up to me.

And that's that! Day ends soon, but I'll try to check back in. And apologies for not being very active up until now.

[Toaster]

Locking thread for end of day processing.

[Toaster]

Note:  In the future, please do not vote in spoilers.  I almost missed that one.


Vote Count:

Bookthras: Hapah
Hapah:
Urist Imiknorris: zombie urist
NativeForeigner:
Dariush:
blackmagechill: Urist Imiknorris, Dariush
Scelly9:
Mr. Dwarfinton: Scelly9, IronyOwl, blackmagechill, Bookthras
zombie urist:
IronyOwl: NativeForeigner

Not voting:  Mr. Dwarfinton

There is a heated afternoon of arguing.  At the end, it is clear that most people suspect Mr. Dwarfinton.  He sighs.

“You idiots!” he says, rising to his feet.  “I can’t let you stop me now!  Take this!”  He reaches to his belt, but is interrupted by an expertly tossed stone to the face.  More follow, and soon he moves no more.

A quick look in his cloak shows that he was clearly working for the Guise of the Keeper, despite his occupation of Paladin- it seems he had infiltrated their order.

The feeling in the room is still cold, though- the danger isn’t over yet.


Mr. Dwarfinton has been lynched!  He was a Paladin (Serial Killer).

Night 1 has begun!  Night 1 will last until Thursday, 7/26 at 11 PM EST.