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[Zaerosz]

One Gym Leader sprite left to make before I post the full lineup.

[Gamerlord]

Moveset required for Wyvital, Wyvernal and Wyvernate; Ghost/Dragon, pseudolegendary, evolving at levels 25 and 50. Wyvernate has to be able to know Lick, Dragon Claw, Dragon Breath and Twister somehow. Changes to the original design include spindly little back-claw-arms on Wyvital, and larger ones on Wyvernal; the spikes on Wyvernate's wings are extended and enlarged to match.

What gen can I go up to? I should be able to write something up in the next couple of days providing you can give a bit more info on what you want RE strengths/weaknesses

Gen3, and I'm thinking high ATK, SP. ATK and SPD, with low defenses and middling HP. Relatively speaking, anyway, its BST is 600 at the end of the line.

Okay so I'm guessing it'll be a frontline fighter, not support.

[Zaerosz]

Moveset required for Wyvital, Wyvernal and Wyvernate; Ghost/Dragon, pseudolegendary, evolving at levels 25 and 50. Wyvernate has to be able to know Lick, Dragon Claw, Dragon Breath and Twister somehow. Changes to the original design include spindly little back-claw-arms on Wyvital, and larger ones on Wyvernal; the spikes on Wyvernate's wings are extended and enlarged to match.

What gen can I go up to? I should be able to write something up in the next couple of days providing you can give a bit more info on what you want RE strengths/weaknesses

Gen3, and I'm thinking high ATK, SP. ATK and SPD, with low defenses and middling HP. Relatively speaking, anyway, its BST is 600 at the end of the line.

Okay so I'm guessing it'll be a frontline fighter, not support.

Pretty much THE frontline fighter, yeah.

[Reudh]

I don't think I've ever seen a defensive / support oriented pseudolegendary though. Well, maybe Metagross, but his defense was just a side effect of having a sweet defensive typing and high defense.

Every pseudolegendary ever in the vanilla games have excelled in attack, with the exception of Hydreigon, who has good attack, but excels in sp.atk.

[Zaerosz]

I don't think I've ever seen a defensive / support oriented pseudolegendary though. Well, maybe Metagross, but his defense was just a side effect of having a sweet defensive typing and high defense.

Every pseudolegendary ever in the vanilla games have excelled in attack, with the exception of Hydreigon, who has good attack, but excels in sp.atk.

...you make a good point there, actually. I might have to do something about that.

[Zaerosz]

In accordance with the above observation regarding defensive pseudolegendaries, the mon based on the Golden Tortoise Beetle is now a pseudolegendary; its preevolution is available as a post-Champion gift event, and neither one is available anywhere else.

[Neonivek]

I don't think I've ever seen a defensive / support oriented pseudolegendary though. Well, maybe Metagross, but his defense was just a side effect of having a sweet defensive typing and high defense.

Every pseudolegendary ever in the vanilla games have excelled in attack, with the exception of Hydreigon, who has good attack, but excels in sp.atk.

Because a lot of what you don't see in the games is that they have a secret balance between the types. (For example, Bugs are meant to get to max power very quickly. Normals have large elemental variety of learned attacks. I think also Ghosts tend to be "light")

A Semi-legendary (a term I dislike... as it refers to the three evolution pokemon that are very powerful in each game and usually a dragon) cannot be a defensive support because that breaks the theme where they are supposed to be on par with the starters.

At the same time however Pokemon does break its own rules all the time.

[Zaerosz]

Current base stats for the starter lines:

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base stats

Scareel 313
HP 42
Atk 52
Def 48
Sp Atk 61
Sp Def 55
Speed 55

Pythobia 405
HP 56
Atk 72
Def 62
Sp Atk 80
Sp Def 65
Speed 70

Paniconda 528
HP 74
Atk 96
Def 79
Sp Atk 106
Sp Def 83
Speed 90

Flarat 313
HP 55
Atk 45
Def 60
Sp Atk 42
Sp Def 66
Speed 45

Vermitile 405
HP 71
Atk 56
Def 75
Sp Atk 59
Sp Def 83
Speed 61

Verminuke 528
HP 98
Atk 69
Def 109
Sp Atk 73
Sp Def 109
Speed 70

Sparcub 313
HP 48
Atk 48
Def 53
Sp Atk 53
Sp Def 48
Speed 63

Squallion 405
HP 64
Atk 61
Def 68
Sp Atk 68
Sp Def 64
Speed 80

Stormane 528
HP 84
Atk 78
Def 89
Sp Atk 90
Sp Def 84
Speed 103

[Reudh]

Current base stats for the starter lines:

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base stats

Scareel 313
HP 42
Atk 51
Def 48
Sp Atk 61
Sp Def 55
Speed 55

Pythobia 405
HP 56
Atk 72
Def 62
Sp Atk 80
Sp Def 65
Speed 70

Paniconda 528
HP 74
Atk 96
Def 79
Sp Atk 111
Sp Def 83
Speed 85

Flarat 313
HP 55
Atk 45
Def 60
Sp Atk 47
Sp Def 66
Speed 50

Vermitile 405
HP 71
Atk 56
Def 75
Sp Atk 59
Sp Def 83
Speed 61

Verminuke 528
HP 98
Atk 71
Def 109
Sp Atk 76
Sp Def 109
Speed 70

Sparcub 313
HP 48
Atk 48
Def 54
Sp Atk 54
Sp Def 48
Speed 63

Squallion 405
HP 64
Atk 61
Def 69
Sp Atk 69
Sp Def 64
Speed 80

Stormane 528
HP 84
Atk 78
Def 89
Sp Atk 90
Sp Def 84
Speed 103

I'm going to go with my understanding of starter mechanics. It usually goes Tanky mon > Frail speedster > all rounder. EG: Torterra was tanky, Infernape was frail speedster and Empoleon had nicely rounded stats. I like the base stats on them, but I think the final ones need a bit of tidying up to bring their specialised stats into sharper relief.

Stormane's stats seem kinda frail to me. Don't know why. Defensively it has 84-89-84, so it's presumably (typing willing) an allrounder. Offensively it's 84-90-103, so its offense only just edges out its defense. I'd give it 84-79-74 and change its speed to 123.

Verminuke's stats look pretty tasty. I'd say that with its 98-109-109 you intend it to be a good support/tank mon.

Paniconda's 96-111-85 is very nice. I'd say its stats are very good as is.

[Zaerosz]

Current base stats for the starter lines:

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base stats

Scareel 313
HP 42
Atk 51
Def 48
Sp Atk 61
Sp Def 55
Speed 55

Pythobia 405
HP 56
Atk 72
Def 62
Sp Atk 80
Sp Def 65
Speed 70

Paniconda 528
HP 74
Atk 96
Def 79
Sp Atk 111
Sp Def 83
Speed 85

Flarat 313
HP 55
Atk 45
Def 60
Sp Atk 47
Sp Def 66
Speed 50

Vermitile 405
HP 71
Atk 56
Def 75
Sp Atk 59
Sp Def 83
Speed 61

Verminuke 528
HP 98
Atk 71
Def 109
Sp Atk 76
Sp Def 109
Speed 70

Sparcub 313
HP 48
Atk 48
Def 54
Sp Atk 54
Sp Def 48
Speed 63

Squallion 405
HP 64
Atk 61
Def 69
Sp Atk 69
Sp Def 64
Speed 80

Stormane 528
HP 84
Atk 78
Def 89
Sp Atk 90
Sp Def 84
Speed 103

I'm going to go with my understanding of starter mechanics. It usually goes Tanky mon > Frail speedster > all rounder. EG: Torterra was tanky, Infernape was frail speedster and Empoleon had nicely rounded stats. I like the base stats on them, but I think the final ones need a bit of tidying up to bring their specialised stats into sharper relief.

Stormane's stats seem kinda frail to me. Don't know why. Defensively it has 84-89-84, so it's presumably (typing willing) an allrounder. Offensively it's 84-90-103, so its offense only just edges out its defense. I'd give it 84-79-74 and change its speed to 123.

Verminuke's stats look pretty tasty. I'd say that with its 98-109-109 you intend it to be a good support/tank mon.

Paniconda's 96-111-85 is very nice. I'd say its stats are very good as is.

Well, typewise Stormane is a special attacker in terms of offense, since this is gen3, but it is intended to have balanced stats with high speed.

Verminuke is indeed a tank. Since its speed is so low, its moveset will also include Revenge.

EDIT: Tweaked the stats to match the limits I set. Apparently even with a calculator I can fail math at 2am. Editing the list soon.

[Gamerlord]

Moveset required for Wyvital, Wyvernal and Wyvernate; Ghost/Dragon, pseudolegendary, evolving at levels 25 and 50. Wyvernate has to be able to know Lick, Dragon Claw, Dragon Breath and Twister somehow. Changes to the original design include spindly little back-claw-arms on Wyvital, and larger ones on Wyvernal; the spikes on Wyvernate's wings are extended and enlarged to match.

What gen can I go up to? I should be able to write something up in the next couple of days providing you can give a bit more info on what you want RE strengths/weaknesses

Gen3, and I'm thinking high ATK, SP. ATK and SPD, with low defenses and middling HP. Relatively speaking, anyway, its BST is 600 at the end of the line.

Okay so I'm guessing it'll be a frontline fighter, not support.

Pretty much THE frontline fighter, yeah.

K. its just that im not sure what to do with the usually aggresive Dragon type and the more subtle Ghost type. Trying to find a set of moves that'll fit them. How do you feel about having Sword Dance AND Dragon Dance? I was thinking about also giving it of couple of Flying type moves and MAYBE Dark type, but I really don't know much about the pokemon in general. Will it have any special abilities? What kind of environment would it be found in? Frm that I can determine its moves. Not enough information.

[Zaerosz]

Moveset required for Wyvital, Wyvernal and Wyvernate; Ghost/Dragon, pseudolegendary, evolving at levels 25 and 50. Wyvernate has to be able to know Lick, Dragon Claw, Dragon Breath and Twister somehow. Changes to the original design include spindly little back-claw-arms on Wyvital, and larger ones on Wyvernal; the spikes on Wyvernate's wings are extended and enlarged to match.

What gen can I go up to? I should be able to write something up in the next couple of days providing you can give a bit more info on what you want RE strengths/weaknesses

Gen3, and I'm thinking high ATK, SP. ATK and SPD, with low defenses and middling HP. Relatively speaking, anyway, its BST is 600 at the end of the line.

Okay so I'm guessing it'll be a frontline fighter, not support.

Pretty much THE frontline fighter, yeah.

K. its just that im not sure what to do with the usually aggresive Dragon type and the more subtle Ghost type. Trying to find a set of moves that'll fit them. How do you feel about having Sword Dance AND Dragon Dance? I was thinking about also giving it of couple of Flying type moves and MAYBE Dark type, but I really don't know much about the pokemon in general. Will it have any special abilities? What kind of environment would it be found in? Frm that I can determine its moves. Not enough information.

Ability is Pressure, environment is way deep in a high mountain cave. Swords Dance and Dragon Dance would probably only both be available to the final form. I'm basically making this up as I go, since the person who came up with it is almost never available to talk to about it.

[Gamerlord]

K

[Gamerlord]

                    Wyvital                 Wyvernal             Wyvernate
Tackle                    5                           
Lick                        5                             5
Torment                 5                             5
Night Shade            7                             7
Moonlight              14                           14                       14
Bite                      17                           17                       17
Dragon Dance        19                           19                      19
Dragonbreath        21                            21                       21
Dragon Rage         24                            24                       24
Shadow Ball          26                            26                       26
Iron Tail                29                            29                       
Poison Fang           32                            32                       32
Magic Coat             33                            39                      39                           
Takedown              34                             47                      47
Fly                                                                                  50
Steel Wing                                                                       54
Dragon Claw                                                                    58



This too many moves? I think I should rearrange the Dragon type moves a little as well.

[Zaerosz]

                    Wyvital                 Wyvernal             Wyvernate
Tackle                    5                           
Lick                        5                             5
Torment                 5                             5
Night Shade            7                             7
Moonlight              14                           14                       14
Bite                      17                           17                       17
Dragon Dance        19                           19                      19
Dragonbreath        21                            21                       21
Dragon Rage         24                            24                       24
Shadow Ball          26                            26                       26
Iron Tail                29                            29                       
Poison Fang           32                            32                       32
Magic Coat             33                            39                      39                           
Takedown              34                             47                      47
Fly                                                                                  50
Steel Wing                                                                       54
Dragon Claw                                                                    58



This too many moves? I think I should rearrange the Dragon type moves a little as well.

Couple too many moves, yeah, but otherwise it's looking pretty good! Except I don't think there are any Pokemon that learn HM moves naturally?