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[LordSlowpoke]

in the end none of us will be right

* LordSlowpoke munches on ice cream cone

seriously though soli just said they don't want to continue stop pursuing

[Dutchling]

Well.

You can't say someone's wrong and then end the discussion.

There are rules in place.

[Sergarr]

In other news, the discovery of Higgs boson has not changed anything.

How surprising.

[10ebbor10]

In other news, the discovery of Higgs boson has not changed anything.

How surprising.

Well yes, I suppose not for you. Or not that you noticed.

[Sergarr]

In other news, the discovery of Higgs boson has not changed anything.

How surprising.

Well yes, I suppose not for you. Or not that you noticed.

So please tell me, what has the discovery of Higgs boson changed?

[10ebbor10]

Sub atomic particle physics mainly. It'll take a year or 20 before the effects manifest themselves on a major scale.

But just look at the past. Quantum physics, General Relativity and all those hard, pure sciences were probably not understood as having any benefit whatsoever. But currently, your computer is most likely using all of these somewhere in it's operation.

[Mech#4]

I don't think the point of discovering it was so much what it would change but rather it would confirm that which we suspected to be true. Correct me if I'm wrong of course, I'm no physicist.

[10ebbor10]

I don't think the point of discovering it was so much what it would change but rather it would confirm that which we suspected to be true. Correct me if I'm wrong of course, I'm no physicist.

Yeah, that as well. The entire particle physics model rested on it.

Would have been much more interesting if we hadn't found it really. Allowing us to rewrite physics as we know it.

[Putnam]

In other news, the discovery of Higgs boson has not changed anything.

How surprising.

Well yes, I suppose not for you. Or not that you noticed.

So please tell me, what has the discovery of Higgs boson changed?

If you think it was supposed to change anything, you completely misunderstand why we were looking for it. It was intended to confirm what we already know. We knew it should exist. It does exist. We were right again. That's what we were looking for, more evidence for the Standard Model, which is exactly what we found. The more accurate we find the Standard Model to be, the more reliable we can consider its use. It's a damn good result. Besides, expecting results within years is foolish. Yeah, Nuclear Fission was discovered 7 years before its first actual practical usage, but that's because it had the Total War-level backing of the United States government funding it. We'd known about electricity for thousands of years and had utilized it for hundreds before we invented the light bulb. People who say shit like "but what use does it have???" do nothing but block progress and keep us from moving forward, so don't.

[Sergarr]

In other news, the discovery of Higgs boson has not changed anything.

How surprising.

Well yes, I suppose not for you. Or not that you noticed.

So please tell me, what has the discovery of Higgs boson changed?

If you think it was supposed to change anything, you completely misunderstand why we were looking for it. It was intended to confirm what we already know. We knew it should exist. It does exist. We were right again. That's what we were looking for, more evidence for the Standard Model, which is exactly what we found. The more accurate we find the Standard Model to be, the more reliable we can consider its use. It's a damn good result. Besides, expecting results within years is foolish. Yeah, Nuclear Fission was discovered 7 years before its first actual practical usage, but that's because it had the Total War-level backing of the United States government funding it. We'd known about electricity for thousands of years and had utilized it for hundreds before we invented the light bulb. People who say shit like "but what use does it have???" do nothing but block progress and keep us from moving forward, so don't.

But that's the problem. The Standard model was already proved right, many times. But there are no ways to advance it further. That's the problem.

[10ebbor10]

There are many ways to advance it further. They might not be evident now, but they're there. Science is never complete.

[Sergarr]

There are many ways to advance it further. They might not be evident now, but they're there. Science is never complete.

Well yes, but since 1980s no way has been found. Compare that to the previous rapid advances in elementary particle science, and you'll see the problem.

This should be a good read about what's wrong with modern science.

[Putnam]

The Standard Model is not String Theory. They are two very, very different things.

Also, it was never proven right. It cannot be proven right. It's become more and more accurate over time. That's actually important, believe it or not.

[Sergarr]

The Standard Model is not String Theory. They are two very, very different things.

Also, it was never proven right. It cannot be proven right. It's become more and more accurate over time. That's actually important, believe it or not.

The string theory is the theory that was supposed to replace the standard model...

The standard model cannot predict masses of elementary particles and that is the big problem.

[Bauglir]

Surely scientific progress shouldn't be measured in terms of paradigm shifts, but in terms of the accuracy of a model's predictions? I mean, it sounds like you're complaining that there isn't as much room to discover new stuff as there used to be. You can change models all you like, but it doesn't mean anything unless your predictions are getting better. And you'd expect huge shifts like that to slow down as whatever given model comes to more closely approximate reality, since inconsistencies get harder and harder to find.

EDIT: Okay, you've listed an actual problem. Good. I don't actually have the physics knowledge to argue about that one. How does the discovery of the Higgs Boson exacerbate that, though?