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Author Topic: SCIENCE, Gravitational waves, and the whole LIGO OST!  (Read 514318 times)

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Re: SCIENCE, Gravitational waves, and the whole LIGO OST!
« Reply #5010 on: April 19, 2017, 01:23:33 pm »

Negative effective mass, not negative mass.

They engineered a dispersion relation in a Bose-Einstein condensate, producing a region of negative effective mass. That is, a region where particles interacted with other forces as if they had negative mass.

They did not actually produce particles with negative mass.

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I mean, I did read the paper. But the effects are pretty awesome and I can't wait to see what sort of practical applications we can pull out of it later on down the line.

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« Reply #5011 on: April 19, 2017, 01:27:58 pm »

Well, we managed to pull off negative effective mass. Has some rather interesting properties, as to be expected.
Is that really something new? I thought I pulled off negative effective mass when I farted in bath, and the resultant bubble accelerated against the force of gravity.
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« Reply #5012 on: April 19, 2017, 01:29:17 pm »

...and thus we see how popular scientific articles end up backfiring.
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« Reply #5013 on: April 19, 2017, 01:30:26 pm »

Well, against the force of gravity, no, that wouldn't be new. Against other forces (such as electromagnetic force)? That's new.
I'm not into solid state, but don't electron holes have negative effective mass?
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« Reply #5014 on: April 19, 2017, 01:33:10 pm »

So, the interesting bit is not that they 'pulled off negative mass' but that they pulled off negative mass in a superfluid?
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« Reply #5015 on: April 19, 2017, 01:34:01 pm »

But is it anything like a helium balloon, held by a string by a kid in the back of a sharply cornering Ford Cortina?

Because that's the real question...
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« Reply #5016 on: April 19, 2017, 02:43:05 pm »

FTL WHEN
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« Reply #5017 on: April 19, 2017, 02:48:02 pm »

It's a perfectly good standing question, though. ;)
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« Reply #5018 on: April 19, 2017, 04:19:26 pm »

Pick Two:
a. Relativity
b. Causality
c. FTL

I prefer the route Baxter took with ditching causality to stories where they're zooping around at huge multiples of the speed of light and nobody seems to wonder why they don't just solve whatever super critical problem they're dashing across the galaxy to fix by plotting a course to an early enough event that they can just prevent it from happening entirely?

Though of all the handwaved explanations for why nobody does that, ones like Banks used where there's still a causal ordering because the hyperspace they hop through has a sheet (or grid) of energy they push off of to accelerate past c. So apparently trying to plot a course into your own past light cone would require heading across that sheet of ultra-death-fuck-off-energy-so-dangerous-pushing-a-bit-of-it-into-threespace-annihilates-anything-it-overlaps, a.k.a. gridfire.
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« Reply #5020 on: April 20, 2017, 03:08:48 am »

I guess licking toads is back in.
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« Reply #5021 on: April 20, 2017, 03:15:04 am »

Frogs, not toads. 

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« Reply #5022 on: April 20, 2017, 04:52:56 am »

Toad doesn't actually have a specific definition in taxonomy, some frogs get called toads. It's a folk cultural term. Any frog that becomes adapted to land falls under the "toad" term, it includes members of 7 different frog genuses.

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« Reply #5023 on: April 20, 2017, 10:01:09 am »

Just like turtles are tortoises in some languages, tortoises are only land dwelling chelonians in others, and turtles are only oceanic in some places.
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« Reply #5024 on: April 20, 2017, 10:23:09 am »

and turtles are only oceanic in some places.

Well, you can't be oceanic on firm land, can you? Of course they'll only be oceanic in the ocean.  :P
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