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Re: SCIENCE, Gravitational waves, and the whole LIGO OST!
« Reply #4005 on: July 12, 2016, 07:51:11 pm »

OK let's return to the totally serious prior discussion of a man under a nuclear explosion
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Re: SCIENCE, Gravitational waves, and the whole LIGO OST!
« Reply #4006 on: July 12, 2016, 08:23:11 pm »

They actually did that once. A group of like five guys stood under an atom bomb when it was detonated for science purposes.

Of course, it was like a .0025kt air-to-air nuke detonated at high altitude, but still.
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« Reply #4007 on: July 12, 2016, 09:00:42 pm »

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« Reply #4008 on: July 18, 2016, 02:58:12 pm »

Where IBM managed 25 years ago to painstakingly write their name in xenon-atoms, a team of the Kavli institute for Nanophysics at the Dutch university of Delft has managed to write a complete speech of Richard Feynman on an invisibly small surface using 60000 chloride atoms.

In 1959 Feynman said, in a famous 'There's plenty of room at the bottom' speech that "if we can use atoms, we have all the space in the world"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_Plenty_of_Room_at_the_Bottom.

Researcher Sander Otte say "this is our tribute to Feynman".
The technique developed promises to be a stepping stone towards a new way of data storage.

The 'atom memory' of the Delft team has room for about 1 kilobyte of text, using a technique that looks like some kind of braille, and works by shifting some of the chloride atoms in a matrix. This isn't much in our age of terabytes, but what is remarkable, is that it uses 500 times less surface area to store the 1kb than current memory chips use.

"What our research shows is, that we can now really control matter at the atom scale".
His team has been researching the transition from particle physics to effects in materials.
"The transition can be surprisingly abrupt", Otte says. "Sometimes you add one or two magnetic atoms, and suddenly you have a true microscopic magnet."

Arranging atoms used to be an extreme laboratory challenge, with scanning tunneling microscopes playing the main part. These are complex machines which have microscopic needles that can be positioned extremely close to a surface, using computer guidance. The needles can then pick up individual atoms and move them to a new location.
Otte's team uses chloride atoms on a copper surface, because that forms weak, but stable bonds. This allows the tunneling microscope's needle to drag the atoms to any location of choice using a weak current.

The team wrote a 'programming language' which allows them to write any text on their chip, fully automated.
The Feynman text took a full week of shuffling atoms.

Otte acknowledges that it's not a very time-efficient way of storing data.
"I don't say that we should start storing our data like this. But instead of using existing techniques to make smaller and smaller chips, we decided to work on a new approach from the bottom up. It is a new approach, and it works."

The study has been published in today's editon of Nature Nanotechnology. In the same edition, US scientist Steven Erwin writes in a commentary that he is impressed. "This is a factor 100 to a thousand times as compact as a flash drive or hard disk. That is - to put it mildly -  remarkable"

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Re: SCIENCE, Gravitational waves, and the whole LIGO OST!
« Reply #4010 on: July 18, 2016, 04:11:27 pm »

What about that crystal storage device that could get a terabyte of space into a small crystal the size of a thumbnail? o-o
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« Reply #4011 on: July 18, 2016, 06:08:38 pm »

Oh, is it write-once only? I thought I heard people talking about using it as hard drives and the like.
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Re: SCIENCE, Gravitational waves, and the whole LIGO OST!
« Reply #4012 on: July 18, 2016, 06:10:40 pm »

That was his impression.

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« Reply #4013 on: July 18, 2016, 06:16:41 pm »

With quantum computing a possibility, am I the only one thinking quantum data storage crystal?
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« Reply #4014 on: July 18, 2016, 10:14:40 pm »

How do you even read the crystal without the other layers getting in the way?
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« Reply #4015 on: July 18, 2016, 11:17:03 pm »

How do you even read the crystal without the other layers getting in the way?

Pshaw, who wants to READ data? The important thing is that the data is THERE. Masterfully encoded in a tiny little space by SCIENCE.
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« Reply #4016 on: July 19, 2016, 04:41:22 am »

I am angry at greatorder because I did a ddg search for "self healing crystals" out of curiosity and it comes up with nonsense fairycrap.
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« Reply #4017 on: July 19, 2016, 09:38:52 am »

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Re: SCIENCE, Gravitational waves, and the whole LIGO OST!
« Reply #4018 on: July 19, 2016, 09:46:22 am »

What ype of crystals do they use? Could you have them grow inside the computer as you need new ones? Though, I assume they need to be prepared or something beforehand.
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Re: SCIENCE, Gravitational waves, and the whole LIGO OST!
« Reply #4019 on: July 19, 2016, 10:33:09 am »

The point of the crystal storage thing is that, once the technique is better developed, you'd be able to write huge amounts of data on a comparatively small and inexpensive crystal thing that doesn't suffer from the problems that magnetic storage has (IE fragility and decaying over time). You prob wouldn't be able to rewrite stuff into it, but why even rewrite when you can just have multiple crystals with tons of data storage capacity? Also the data would last longer than you as long as the crystal remained intact, and it would never be damaged by stuff like EMP and magnets :v
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