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MrWiggles

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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2012, 05:03:15 am »

Tucker's Kobold. I think thats the one I'm thinking of. But I have to check it out later. The Higgs Boson has been discovered.
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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2012, 05:56:57 am »

Tucker's Kobold. I think thats the one I'm thinking of. But I have to check it out later. The Higgs Boson has been discovered.
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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2012, 12:03:30 pm »

Even in the Germanic Myths Kobolds were excellent miners.

No digger AI. If it ever gets implemented, Kobold miner thieves.

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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2012, 12:35:44 pm »


All over 3rd edition, possibly earlier but I didn't pay much attention to kobolds back then.  In fact the rivalry between the chief kobold deity Kurtulmak, and the chief gnome deity Garl Glittergold, springs from a "prank" Garl played caving in one of Kurtulmak's mines.  A merry jest to the gnomes (sick fucks), a mass slaughter of his people to Kurtulmak.

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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2012, 03:31:58 pm »

What's that? 3rd Ed.? Oh, now I see the problem :P

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In my opinion, the only reason WotC released 3rd, then 3rd+1/2 was so there would be new IP to SELL.

Kinda like Microsoft.
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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2012, 03:44:10 pm »

Spoiler: Kobold. (click to show/hide)

Kobold Kobold Kobold. Kobold?
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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2012, 06:30:39 pm »

What's that? 3rd Ed.? Oh, now I see the problem :P

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In my opinion, the only reason WotC released 3rd, then 3rd+1/2 was so there would be new IP to SELL.

Kinda like Microsoft.
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TSR, Inc had way more version of DnD in print then what WotC has done. And gosh forbid an rpg company be for profit.
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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2012, 07:04:15 pm »

It amuses me that Weaver's art has become so universally recognized as the main depiction of kobolds that people forget it's not actually official. I mean, the main distinguishing characteristic of DF kobolds is the glowing yellow eyes, but nobody draws cutebolds like that. The most correct depictions that I'm aware of are Fault's.

Also, mining has never been a core thematic component of D&D kobolds. They're laughably incompetent little fuckers who hold up dragons as a racial ideal. They're greedy and conniving vermin whose are weak but skilled in assymetrical warfare. Do they mine? Sure, why not? But it's not really a major narrative focus.
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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2012, 01:58:35 am »

I hate D&D kobolds. Smaller lizardmen, how brilliant. Also troglodytes are pretty much the same thing. It must have taken them an entire thirty seconds to pick a random folklore creature and tack the name on some boring race there's already two of.

I see them as cutebolds. Their eyes glow in the dark.
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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2012, 12:37:31 pm »

DnD kobolds? Boring.

We have unaging, never-eating, velociraptor-riding goblins.
We have barbaric, cannibalistic elves that will kill you dead and eat your flesh.
And don't even get me started on our dwarves and their ways of madness.

Now then, why the heck would our kobolds follow some silly superstition that DnD sets canon for Dwarf Fortress?
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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2012, 12:59:57 pm »

Here's a real kobold for you guys

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2012, 04:35:00 pm »

@Putnam

Sorry, forgot to spoiler.

And those kobolds are a little better.

But what is this tomfoolery about Kobolds not being miners? Even in the Germanic Myths Kobolds were excellent miners. In DnD lore they rival even the dwarves.  It's just.... eh..... -_-
Kobolds are in the same boat the Native Americans north of Mesoamerica (or south of it and not in the Andes, or to a lesser extent the Mayans, Aztecs, and Incans) were, pre-Europeans: For whatever reason, they are unable to get a proper civilization with metal and mining and stuff up before the others. Kobolds also have a big language issue, and the problem that happens when your primitive, smaller-than-a-dog tribesmen fight metal-armed people three times your size or more.

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DF kobolds have a few traits, as noted in the raws and in-game. The most prominent is their glowing, yellow eyes, followed by their inability to speak. They also lack both hair and scales (as well as feathers, BTW), just normal, brown skin. They also lack tails, and have three toes per foot. Kobolds lay leathery eggs, like some reptiles and monotremes. These eggs are rather larger than those of pretty much every other creature, being size 1100 while other species' (even emus and cave crocs) tend to be no more than around 100; eggs of creatures like dragons and sea serpents are size 6100. Their agility is, of course, high, but they also possess above-average toughness, recuperation, disease resistance, patience, and...strength? Their analytical ability, creativity, intuition, and focus are all below-average. They have low trust and high anxiety.
In short...Kobolds seem like amphibians or primitive reptiles, or maybe reptiles that have "lost" their scales (there are a few examples IRL, IIRC). They are strong and tough little bastards, emphasis on little. Sadly, they're a couple million years behind the other races, evolutionarily-speaking; while they can steal stuff from other races, most of their mental abilities (vitally speech!) are stunted for some reason or another, possibly their cranial volume, so they can't really build a civilization on their own. Meanwhile, their kleptomania or desire to be like the Big People or whatever it is that drives them to steal makes other races have little they want to do to the kobolds more than kill them. This forces the little guys to live in caves, which are pretty hostile environments as they contain cavern critters but it's really their only choice. Poor guys...
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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2012, 04:36:49 pm »

Kobolds lay eggs?

I learned something today.
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Re: Kobolds
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2012, 04:43:29 pm »

Some people even caught them sitting on nestboxes!...Until that bug was fixed...
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