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[Iysif]

Is there any way to remove a tag or edit the raws in such a way as to remove the "sentience" of various races so that they may be butchered in adventure mode? I know editing the ethics can make them edible and craftable at least in fortress mode but I'm not sure about the butchering in either. I'm not sure how this would be done, and I have read of this idea visited in the past, but not answered, but the ability to butcher sentient creatures (at least kea men, boogymen, etc) would go excellent with the wanderer's friend/genesis mod.

I realize that the "You are not hungry enough to do that" message was put in on purpose to avoid sentient creature butchering, but I don't understand why exactly. Butchering Yetis is okay but not Kea men? Breaking a dwarven child's every joint and stabbing out his eyes is ok apparently, but I can't make him into bolts.

What I'm asking is.. is there any way to do this?

[TheBlueSteel]

I actually do believe there is an easy workaround, though I haven't tried it in some time. Just let your adventurer get really hungry, and butchering becomes possible.

I think? Haven't actually tried it in a while, it might be gone in the update, but I believe it used to work.

[Iysif]

Hmm I'm not sure. If that is possible though you'd think there would be a more practical workaround. Maybe giving yourself *some* of the traits of being that hungry (being able to butcher sentient) at all levels of hunger, and removing the ethical issues with eating and crafting the materials?

[Xantalos]

I do know that adventurers don't have any particular aversion to crafting with pre-butchered sentient materials; my elf suede cap attests to that. They just seem to not want to do the act itself.

[Iysif]

Maybe you could burn the flesh off? At least the bones would be left? There has to be some way to get dwarves to cut up their friends.

[Xantalos]

If you can somehow get night creatures to butcher them, you got yourself some sentient bone/meat/skin!

[Friendstrange]

Maybe you could burn the flesh off? At least the bones would be left? There has to be some way to get dwarves to cut up their friends.

You could get a dragon to roast them.

If you can somehow get night creatures to butcher them, you got yourself some sentient bone/meat/skin!

In theory, when a night creature kills a hystorical figure (like your adventurer) they keep their remains and a random part of them apears in their lair when you visit (head, bones, meat, blood, etc.). Havent tried having a companion killed by them, and then exit the site and go back in to see if theyve butchered them.

[MasterMorality]

It might be an ethics related thing? One related to cannibalism? Cannibalism acceptable...

[Deadly Lamarr]

I tried making custom reactions to do this over a year ago but did not meet with much success.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Rumrusher, you are like some kind of mad scientist-wizard.

Well, I made a reaction to pull muscles out of corpses. Mutilated corpses and body parts may give different stuff. Also, I can make short swords, chests, and piccolos out of anything. Anything. Elf muscle piccolo, anyone? No? Okay.

I think I'll leave reaction modding alone for the most part until we've been given more tools. Lots of promise there, however, even if you aren't twisted and evil.

Also, you can butcher a dead sapient by removing [INTELLIGENT] from its race's definitions in the raws (creature_standard for elves). You might want to add it back afterward, and yes you can do this to raws in a save file. No re-gen necessary.

I'll post my craptastic reactions if anyone wants them, but I will not be insulted if you don't.

I WANT THOSE REACTIONS

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reaction_adv

[OBJECT:REACTION]

[REACTION:SKIN_CORPSE]
[NAME:take an organ from a corpse]
[ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]
[REAGENT:body:1:NONE:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:body:SKIN]
[USE_BODY_COMPONENT][UNROTTEN][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:SKIN_TANNED:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:body:NONE]
[SKILL:BUTCHER]

[REACTION:MAKE_BAG_ADV]
[NAME:make a container out of pretty much anything]
[ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]
[REAGENT:skin:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:BOX:CLOTH:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:skin:NONE]
[SKILL:CLOTHESMAKING]

[REACTION:MAKE_S_SWORD_ADV]
[NAME:make a short sword out of pretty much anything]
[ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]
[REAGENT:skin:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_SHORT:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:skin:NONE]
[SKILL:FORGE_WEAPON]

[REACTION:MAKE_A_PICCOLO]
[NAME:make a piccolo out of pretty much anything]
[ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]
[REAGENT:skin:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:INSTRUMENT:ITEM_INSTRUMENT_PICCOLO:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:skin:NONE]
[SKILL:LYING]

This is a direct copy-paste from my reaction_adv.txt file in the raw folder. I went through all sorts of things to make something that worked this well. The only thing I didn't try was tanning an elf skin -- I could only get elf skin through butchery and raw editing -- and trying to make it into a bag. I was never able to make a bag, but making chests out of stuff is still better than making a "boxes and bag" imo. According to the wiki, BOX is the right constant for bags, and if the product's material is cloth or leather you should get a bag. Maybe I should have tried to make muscle cloth instead of muscle tanned hides, but somehow I think that would have failed too.

After failing to make what I wanted, I just decided to say "screw you" to all reason and logic. I will have my piccolos of dubious construction by whatever means. So I removed all pretense of having proper materials. You can presumably acquire infinite quantities of elf muscle from a single corpse.

I was going to require thread for elf leather bags.

Oh yeah, and I associated making stuff into piccolos with the Lying skill because you must lie to the laws of nature in order to make an elf muscle piccolo. Really, lying is a pretty believable alternative to druidism for magic if you think about it.

I have basically forgotten everything I knew about DF modding, but since I wrote removing the [INTELLIGENT] tag would allow butchery, I guess it will. There are likely side effects to leaving it off.

[RadHazard]

In theory, when a night creature kills a hystorical figure (like your adventurer) they keep their remains and a random part of them apears in their lair when you visit (head, bones, meat, blood, etc.). Havent tried having a companion killed by them, and then exit the site and go back in to see if theyve butchered them.

I'm fairly certain night creatures don't butcher things they kill during play, or at least I've never seen it happen.  I've lost three adventurers to one night creature before, and when I finally killed it with my fourth one, their intact bodies were still there.  This was in 0.34.07, but I don't think anything has changed since.