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[umiman]

I'm always annoyed they just won't make actual Amazon faction in Rome 2. IN ANYTHING

FTFY. Mods of certain paradox games excluded; there's been absolutely zero effort at giving South American natives a fair shake. It's almost to the point where I think developers exclude it on purpose..

What about in Medieval 2? They were pretty freaking strong there.

[Sharp]

I don't know much history about South American natives apart from the Spanish conquest. I feel though that the Aztec and other natives were pretty much defeated vs the spanish as guns are powerful especially in areas without cavalry. Native Americans had problems as well but fighting on plains and having cavalry helped a lot especially vs muskets which are inaccurate and take time to reload while I don't think the south americans really had cavalry.

Honestly though I haven't really researched anything, just from what I know and my thoughts on it.

[umiman]

Weren't horses an import from Europe?

There's also plenty of South Americans in the Civilization series... though I don't think that really counts. They did make the Montezuma among the most vilified douchebags in the game though, what with his neverending warmongering.

Hrmm...

Yeah I can't think of anything else. Excluding the Paradox series of course.

To be fair, my civilization doesn't get a lot of attention either. The only time I see Malaysia or South East Asia as a whole in anything it involves terrorists, pirates, or prostitution. Or all of the above.

[Sharp]

Weren't horses an import from Europe?

You are correct sir, but the time from introduction of horses into "New World" and active fighting between Native Americans and European colonists was around 200 years. Maybe if the Aztec had 200 years and cavalry it would have been a different fight.

Anyway sincerely doubt South or North America will be making an appearance in Rome Total War, if there are Amazons it will be the female greek variety (who were bloody annoying to face in those damn cities which would revolt)

[USEC_OFFICER]

I don't know much history about South American natives apart from the Spanish conquest. I feel though that the Aztec and other natives were pretty much defeated vs the spanish as guns are powerful especially in areas without cavalry. Native Americans had problems as well but fighting on plains and having cavalry helped a lot especially vs muskets which are inaccurate and take time to reload while I don't think the south americans really had cavalry.

Honestly though I haven't really researched anything, just from what I know and my thoughts on it.

I don't think that it was muskets that defeated the Aztecs or Inca. Most of Cortes's men didn't men were armed with melee weapons after all, yet managed to hold off thousands of Aztec warriors. Well, with help from their thousands of Mesoamerican allies of course. I think the primary reason that the Spainish were so successful was because they expertly manipulated the political situtations they were in. The Aztecs had thousands of cilent peoples who were happy to help overthrow their masters. If I remember correctly the Incas were in a succession crisis when the Spainish showed up. Hence why it took much longer to subdue some of the Native American tribes. Their political situation was more fluid, and some were willing to simply pack up and move somewhere else.

[krisslanza]

Weren't horses an import from Europe?

You are correct sir, but the time from introduction of horses into "New World" and active fighting between Native Americans and European colonists was around 200 years. Maybe if the Aztec had 200 years and cavalry it would have been a different fight.

Anyway sincerely doubt South or North America will be making an appearance in Rome Total War, if there are Amazons it will be the female greek variety (who were bloody annoying to face in those damn cities which would revolt)

From what little info is out, doesn't seem there'll be any Amazons.

Which is kind of annoying when CA says they care for historical "feeling". Amazons are darn setting appropriate! But it just never happens... and I'll never see a like, Amazon 2 Total War, just because no one in that mod team can probably make models that detailed...

I can hope. I can hope. DLC?

/ranting of the depraved and foolish

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I don't think that it was muskets that defeated the Aztecs or Inca. Most of Cortes's men didn't men were armed with melee weapons after all, yet managed to hold off thousands of Aztec warriors. Well, with help from their thousands of Mesoamerican allies of course. I think the primary reason that the Spainish were so successful was because they expertly manipulated the political situtations they were in. The Aztecs had thousands of cilent peoples who were happy to help overthrow their masters. If I remember correctly the Incas were in a succession crisis when the Spainish showed up. Hence why it took much longer to subdue some of the Native American tribes. Their political situation was more fluid, and some were willing to simply pack up and move somewhere else.

Didn't help that the Spanish white people caused massive smallpox plagues.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Didn't help that the Spanish white people caused massive smallpox plagues.

Indeed. I think that came shortly afterwards though, and probably helps to explain how the Spanish managed to keep hold of all of their new territories.

[Chattox]

Amazons are darn setting appropriate!

I fail to see how Amazons are setting appropriate in a game set almost entirely in Europe. Or am I missing something?

[Silent_Thunder]

Amazons are darn setting appropriate!

I fail to see how Amazons are setting appropriate in a game set almost entirely in Europe. Or am I missing something?

The Amazons have nothing to do with the Amazon River.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons
On the other hand, it seems possible they were merely mythological, and we defiantly don't have a definate location for where they existed if their nation did. It seems more likley they were based on several nations simply employing warrior women.

[Digital Hellhound]

Wait, which Amazons are we talking about? I was just getting more and more confused with talk of South America.

It is a terrible shame they won't do EUROPEAN Amazons for Rome 2, I agree.

[Chattox]

This makes more sense. I dug a little and found this from their wiki page:

The legendary Amazons are believed to have lived in Pontus

Pontus is a faction in the game, perhaps they'll be special units?

[scriver]

The Amazons were a kind-of-easter egg in the first R:TW. They lived up in the Northernest Russia in a region that was pretty hard to get to, iirc.

[Sharp]

They are sort of an easter egg in Rome Total War, you only see them in one city although they have chances to spawn when some cities revolt, maybe in some rebel armies as well but not too sure about that.

It's doubtful they will be anything more in Rome 2, I think the only regular female troops will be the Germanic Women

EDIT: 1, grr ninja'd and 2, also forgot about the Scythian Women Cavalry. It was mainly the area around Pontus and Sycthia that could spawn Amazon units when cities revolt iirc, I remember facing a large amazon army when that Thracian city rebelled.

[krisslanza]

Amazons are darn setting appropriate!

I fail to see how Amazons are setting appropriate in a game set almost entirely in Europe. Or am I missing something?

Amazons feature a lot in Greek mythologies, and I think they are the ones who actually started the rumor/legend/what ever you want to call it, of an entire tribe of warrior women.

They are generally thought to be less tribes of warrior women, and more just tribes that actually let women fight and people just happened to stumble upon them when the men were out doing something else, giving the impression that women were all they had to fight or... something.

Pontus, Scythia, and I think up in Russia, are usually depicted as maybe having Amazons - at least according to Amazon Total War's research. But from the stuff released so far about the campaign map, there isn't any kind of Amazon mercenary unit at least, and CA has not confirmed or denied anything.